Black Lives Matter
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@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
I am not about to say that policing must be an almost impossible task in the US right now, or that these guys did not behave in a way that contributed to the prospect of them being shot. But it still doesn't absolve the police of what is happening. They also feel that there is a historical lack of accountability on the part of the authorities when one of their own shoots a black person
From the outside, there certainly looks to be a real problem with police accountability. (And to be fair, that's the situation in parts of the UK as well)
Not too sure it is everything to do with race though - there are examples of white people being shot by black policemen in dubious circumstances as well.
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@Frank said in Black Lives Matter:
Full bodycam video of events leading up to George Floyd death.
@canefan here you go
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@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
@MiketheSnow said in Black Lives Matter:
@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
The BBC video of the protester shooting is conveniently cut. You don't see what appears to be a molotov thrown at him by the first victim (who has since been revealed to be a registered paedophile..and literally filmed a few minutes earlier telling a milia person to "shoot me nigga!"). You don't see Kyle calling 911 to help him. You don't see the 2nd victim (another felon) trying to hit Kyle over the head with a skateboard. (who at this point had tripped over trying to run away from the mob). You don't see the 3rd victim make a run at Kyle (still on the ground after multiple attacks) with a glock pointed at him when Kyle shot him in the arm. And you also don't see Kyle immediately try to hand himself in to the police (They order him out of the way and drive by...)
Get the absolute fuck out with this shit.
This kids arms himself with a semi automatic weapon and heads down town to get amongst it. He ends up in various scuffles (wow, who would have thought it) and kills 2 people and injures another.
He is a murderer and will go to jail.
So this kid goes out of his way to court trouble, kills 2 and injures 1, and when the cops go to get him he doesn't even get shot, not even once? Regardless of the histories of Floyd and this latest shooting, black people will look at this and see hypocrisy and prejudice that has existed in the US for hundreds of years and still today. Regardless of the peripheral consequences like rioting, which are criminal acts that should be punished, there are genuine grievances here
Yeah, its obviously speculation as to what might have happened if the kid was black, but the way he puts his hands back on his gun a couple of times as he walks towards them is pretty wild. Certainly doesn't seem to be advisable in the current climate!
@booboo said in Black Lives Matter:
@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
The BBC video of the protester shooting is conveniently cut. You don't see what appears to be a molotov thrown at him by the first victim (who has since been revealed to be a registered paedophile..and literally filmed a few minutes earlier telling a milia person to "shoot me nigga!"). You don't see Kyle calling 911 to help him. You don't see the 2nd victim (another felon) trying to hit Kyle over the head with a skateboard. (who at this point had tripped over trying to run away from the mob). You don't see the 3rd victim make a run at Kyle (still on the ground after multiple attacks) with a glock pointed at him when Kyle shot him in the arm. And you also don't see Kyle immediately try to hand himself in to the police (They order him out of the way and drive by...)
Get the absolute fuck out with this shit.
This kids arms himself with a semi automatic weapon and heads down town to get amongst it. He ends up in various scuffles (wow, who would have thought it) and kills 2 people and injures another.
He is a murderer and will go to jail.
So this kid goes out of his way to court trouble, kills 2 and injures 1, and when the cops go to get him he doesn't even get shot, not even once? Regardless of the histories of Floyd and this latest shooting, black people will look at this and see hypocrisy and prejudice that has existed in the US for hundreds of years and still today. Regardless of the peripheral consequences like rioting, which are criminal acts that should be punished, there are genuine grievances here
Did he resist arrest? Genuine question.
I haven't seen footage of his apprehension. Voodoo made this comment though. Floyd wasn't exactly resisting, and it didn't stop the cop kneeling on his throat
You must have seen different footage from me
Post it up
See above
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
I am not about to say that policing must be an almost impossible task in the US right now, or that these guys did not behave in a way that contributed to the prospect of them being shot. But it still doesn't absolve the police of what is happening. They also feel that there is a historical lack of accountability on the part of the authorities when one of their own shoots a black person
From the outside, there certainly looks to be a real problem with police accountability. (And to be fair, that's the situation in parts of the UK as well)
Not too sure it is everything to do with race though - there are examples of white people being shot by black policemen in dubious circumstances as well.
I think both can be true. The aussie lady who got shot after calling the cops was a ridiculous situation. Interestingly the authorities had no hesitation in convicting the black officer who killed her
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@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
What I still haven't really seen from the athletes and any other figures of prominence, is a clear direction in terms of what they want to see. Protest is one thing, but what's the end goal? It can't just be "justice". What does "reform" look like? Surely not just defunding the police?
Ask them some searching questions and they probably just don't have a clue. They see something wrong and just want to do something to show their concern - many to virtue-signal, others to make themselves more bankable to their target market.
BLM leaders do know what they want - pretty much revolution and tearing down the capitalist state.
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@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
I am not about to say that policing must be an almost impossible task in the US right now, or that these guys did not behave in a way that contributed to the prospect of them being shot. But it still doesn't absolve the police of what is happening. They also feel that there is a historical lack of accountability on the part of the authorities when one of their own shoots a black person
From the outside, there certainly looks to be a real problem with police accountability. (And to be fair, that's the situation in parts of the UK as well)
Not too sure it is everything to do with race though - there are examples of white people being shot by black policemen in dubious circumstances as well.
I think both can be true. The aussie lady who got shot after calling the cops was a ridiculous situation. Interestingly the authorities had no hesitation in convicting the black officer who killed her
Ummm didn't that take like 6 months and also resulted in protests against his arrest?
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@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
I am not about to say that policing must be an almost impossible task in the US right now, or that these guys did not behave in a way that contributed to the prospect of them being shot. But it still doesn't absolve the police of what is happening. They also feel that there is a historical lack of accountability on the part of the authorities when one of their own shoots a black person
From the outside, there certainly looks to be a real problem with police accountability. (And to be fair, that's the situation in parts of the UK as well)
Not too sure it is everything to do with race though - there are examples of white people being shot by black policemen in dubious circumstances as well.
I think both can be true. The aussie lady who got shot after calling the cops was a ridiculous situation. Interestingly the authorities had no hesitation in convicting the black officer who killed her
This is the whole shit show in microcosm. Look at either of the two recent incidents of black guys getting killed and paralysed while being arrested. In both cases the victims were acting like dicks, had previous, were being either non-co-operative and/or aggressive and in the case of Jacob justifyingly giving the arresting officers cause for concern for their own well being. So expect some significant backlash. On the other hand Jacob got shot 7 times in the back. 7 times. That is not justifiable.
I could have just typed The US is fucked and got my point across better really.
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@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
7 times. That is not justifiable
See I'm not convinced on that.
I'm sure 4 or 5 times seemed like overkill to someone once.. until they got severely harmed as they hadn't finished the perp off.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
What I still haven't really seen from the athletes and any other figures of prominence, is a clear direction in terms of what they want to see. Protest is one thing, but what's the end goal? It can't just be "justice". What does "reform" look like? Surely not just defunding the police?
Ask them some searching questions and they probably just don't have a clue. They see something wrong and just want to do something to show their concern - many to virtue-signal, others to make themselves more bankable to their target market.
BLM leaders do know what they want - pretty much revolution and tearing down the capitalist state.
Maybe that's true of some of them. But, as with all situations, I am sure there are various reasons for their stance. I have no doubt some will be able to draw from police interactions of their own, or family or friends, over the course of their lifetimes. Being famous and black does not protect you from the potential of police mistreatment
This shit happens in America, and that is what these guys are responding to. Body cam and mobile phone footage is making it increasingly difficult for issues to be squashed. And it's not just famous people, or people with records or who behave in a manner that contributed to getting them shot
It isn't just black people, I am sure there are victims of various races. But the black american community have a complicated history in the country, and the issues simmer just below the surface only to bubble up from time to time
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@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage my guess is Breonna Taylor, one of the very few examples of potential actual police negligence. Even then her story isn't exactly black and white.
No it was black
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@Catogrande seems excessive alright however the guy also just walked off being tazed..I wonder what the toxicology results are going to show.
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@MiketheSnow said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
Trump just won
I suspect this will be the case. Its not so much a vote for Trump its a vote against burning looting and murder. If 'law and order' Kamala had not endorsed the riots maybe the Dems could have turned it around.
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@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
The BBC video of the protester shooting is conveniently cut. You don't see what appears to be a molotov thrown at him by the first victim (who has since been revealed to be a registered paedophile..and literally filmed a few minutes earlier telling a milia person to "shoot me nigga!"). You don't see Kyle calling 911 to help him. You don't see the 2nd victim (another felon) trying to hit Kyle over the head with a skateboard. (who at this point had tripped over trying to run away from the mob). You don't see the 3rd victim make a run at Kyle (still on the ground after multiple attacks) with a glock pointed at him when Kyle shot him in the arm. And you also don't see Kyle immediately try to hand himself in to the police (They order him out of the way and drive by...)
Get the absolute fuck out with this shit.
This kids arms himself with a semi automatic weapon and heads down town to get amongst it. He ends up in various scuffles (wow, who would have thought it) and kills 2 people and injures another.
He is a murderer and will go to jail.
So this kid goes out of his way to court trouble, kills 2 and injures 1, and when the cops go to get him he doesn't even get shot, not even once? Regardless of the histories of Floyd and this latest shooting, black people will look at this and see hypocrisy and prejudice that has existed in the US for hundreds of years and still today. Regardless of the peripheral consequences like rioting, which are criminal acts that should be punished, there are genuine grievances here
Yeah, its obviously speculation as to what might have happened if the kid was black, but the way he puts his hands back on his gun a couple of times as he walks towards them is pretty wild. Certainly doesn't seem to be advisable in the current climate!
I guarantee you if the kid was black he would have been shot
From what I have seen I doubt a black kid would have been shot in those circumstances. Too many people around so the risk of hitting a bystander would have been high. Also, unless the attending police had long arms, the cops seemed a long way away from the kid when he was surrendering. Pistols are not accurate at that distance.
Edit : Sorry about the 'bold' text. Not sure what I did there!