Black Lives Matter
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@MiketheSnow said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
Trump just won
I suspect this will be the case. Its not so much a vote for Trump its a vote against burning looting and murder. If 'law and order' Kamala had not endorsed the riots maybe the Dems could have turned it around.
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@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
@voodoo said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
The BBC video of the protester shooting is conveniently cut. You don't see what appears to be a molotov thrown at him by the first victim (who has since been revealed to be a registered paedophile..and literally filmed a few minutes earlier telling a milia person to "shoot me nigga!"). You don't see Kyle calling 911 to help him. You don't see the 2nd victim (another felon) trying to hit Kyle over the head with a skateboard. (who at this point had tripped over trying to run away from the mob). You don't see the 3rd victim make a run at Kyle (still on the ground after multiple attacks) with a glock pointed at him when Kyle shot him in the arm. And you also don't see Kyle immediately try to hand himself in to the police (They order him out of the way and drive by...)
Get the absolute fuck out with this shit.
This kids arms himself with a semi automatic weapon and heads down town to get amongst it. He ends up in various scuffles (wow, who would have thought it) and kills 2 people and injures another.
He is a murderer and will go to jail.
So this kid goes out of his way to court trouble, kills 2 and injures 1, and when the cops go to get him he doesn't even get shot, not even once? Regardless of the histories of Floyd and this latest shooting, black people will look at this and see hypocrisy and prejudice that has existed in the US for hundreds of years and still today. Regardless of the peripheral consequences like rioting, which are criminal acts that should be punished, there are genuine grievances here
Yeah, its obviously speculation as to what might have happened if the kid was black, but the way he puts his hands back on his gun a couple of times as he walks towards them is pretty wild. Certainly doesn't seem to be advisable in the current climate!
I guarantee you if the kid was black he would have been shot
From what I have seen I doubt a black kid would have been shot in those circumstances. Too many people around so the risk of hitting a bystander would have been high. Also, unless the attending police had long arms, the cops seemed a long way away from the kid when he was surrendering. Pistols are not accurate at that distance.
Edit : Sorry about the 'bold' text. Not sure what I did there!
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@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
7 times. That is not justifiable
See I'm not convinced on that.
I'm sure 4 or 5 times seemed like overkill to someone once.. until they got severely harmed as they hadn't finished the perp off.
Spot on. Police are trained to fire until the threat no longer exists. If it takes seven shots, it takes seven shots.
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@Crazy-Horse A notable feature of the layman's analysis of all these police incidents is that no reasonable alternative police behaviours are ever offered and a complete disregard for sanctioned operating procedures.
Mostly people seem to think that every arrest ever must be rational, peaceful and clinical in every detail.
I had an amped up meth head scream obscenities in my direction on the street the other day. I shat myself paralysed between fight and flight.
10 minutes before, I would have adamantly explained to you how I would reason with him and remain composed till he happily wandered off, if ever such a situation arose.🙂 -
@Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
@Crazy-Horse A notable feature of the layman's analysis of all these police incidents is that no reasonable alternative police behaviours are ever offered and a complete disregard for sanctioned operating procedures.
Mostly people seem to think that every arrest ever must be rational, peaceful and clinical in every detail.
I had an amped up meth head scream obscenities in my direction on the street the other day. I shat myself paralysed between fight and flight.
10 minutes before, I would have adamantly explained to you how I would reason with him and remain composed till he happily wandered off, if ever such a situation arose.🙂This is a really important point, how much more difficult drugged up people are to deal with in a fight. Lots of people might've never seen a person really high on meth, let alone got in a physical altercation. Neither have I, but I've read its like fighting a superhuman cyborg.
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@Duluth said in Black Lives Matter:
Yes. A slight adjustment though - it may come back in 2022 for the mid terms
Lead up to 2012 was Occupy Wall St
2014 mid terms was the Ferguson BLM riots
2016 I'm struggling to remember.. women's marches were slightly after voting
2018 was the refugee caravan
2020 BLM againProtests are a good way to energise the base. Look at who the protesters are - mostly the same class and color as occupy. The groups/money organising the protests are the same.
I think you hit the nail on the head. The money to support BLM is political, so can be expected to dwindle in 2021.
Policing funded locally, so if that were the real agenda change at municipal election time would be the onus.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
7 times. That is not justifiable
See I'm not convinced on that.
I'm sure 4 or 5 times seemed like overkill to someone once.. until they got severely harmed as they hadn't finished the perp off.
Spot on. Police are trained to fire until the threat no longer exists. If it takes seven shots, it takes seven shots.
I can understand that. Have you seen the footage? Assuming you have, would you have been happy if that officer had been under your command? I just don’t think anyone gets a free pass on this one.
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@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
7 times. That is not justifiable
See I'm not convinced on that.
I'm sure 4 or 5 times seemed like overkill to someone once.. until they got severely harmed as they hadn't finished the perp off.
Spot on. Police are trained to fire until the threat no longer exists. If it takes seven shots, it takes seven shots.
I can understand that. Have you seen the footage? Assuming you have, would you have been happy if that officer had been under your command? I just don’t think anyone gets a free pass on this one.
It's a not dissimilar situation to the Rayshard Brooks shooting.
Suspect resists arrest
Suspect isn't taken down by taser
Suspect ignores police command and walks/runs away
Suspect attempts to arm themselvesThere was no way the officer in this incident was letting Jacob Blake attempt to injure / kill him.
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The narrative is falling to pieces.
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@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
The narrative is falling to pieces.
https://streamable.com/v72hvxWhat did you infer from this please?
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@MiketheSnow said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
The narrative is falling to pieces.
https://streamable.com/v72hvxWhat did you infer from this please?
It's another Rembrandt head scratcher right? The Dad can't talk about the case because of legal proceedings surely?
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I found this article interesting. Unlike some posters here I only take a pretty outside view of American politics
If the Dems lose again they will only have themselves to blame. As detestable as I think Trump is, the dems can look back having failed to put up an attractive alternative that captures the imagination
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@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
I found this article interesting. Unlike some posters here I only take a pretty outside view of American politics
If the Dems lose again they will only have themselves to blame. As detestable as I think Trump is, the dems can look back having failed to put up an attractive alternative that captures the imagination
Overall narrative is what happened in UK to put Boris in.
Staunch supporters of both parties will vote for their respective parties.
Non-BAME swing voters will vote Trump because of the BLM protests and riots (was Brexit in UK).
BAME swing voters and disenfranchised won't vote.
Republicans have a bigger base in that scenario.
Republicans win.
The article itself, fuck me.
'In recent days the state has become the latest flashpoint in the nation's reckoning on race relations after a white police officer in Kenosha, an hour's drive away from Milwaukee, shot black man Jacob Blake...
A white teenager from Illinois, Kyle Rittenhouse, has been charged with murder after fatally shooting two people at the ensuing protests.'
Agenda much?
'Greg Lewis, a pastor at a black church in Milwaukee, knows first-hand how serious the virus is. When he was hospitalised earlier this year for Covid-19, the doctors told him: "If you don't do exactly what we're going to say, you're going to die."'
Non-medically trained pastor told by doctors to do what they say or he may perish from Covid-19
FFS, that's the same for every fucking patient.
' "Then we have Kamala who was sending people to jail left and right in California, and most of them were people of colour," he says, referring to Harris's time as attorney-general of California.
"People in our community are kind of disgusted: can we support people like this?"'
So black attorney-general standing for vice-president can't get the 'Black Vote' because she was too good at putting black offenders away.
FFS
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@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
I found this article interesting. Unlike some posters here I only take a pretty outside view of American politics
If the Dems lose again they will only have themselves to blame. As detestable as I think Trump is, the dems can look back having failed to put up an attractive alternative that captures the imagination
Similar to the situation we had in the UK. A bombastic populist, who in normal circumstances would have little chance of being elected but the opposition were a shambles.
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@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
Similar to the situation we had in the UK. A bombastic populist, who in normal circumstances would have little chance of being elected but the opposition were a shambles
To be fair, that's been said about Johnson to explain every election he's won - either twice as London Mayor, Leader of the Tory Party or as PM.
Can't be all the opposition's fault.
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@Victor-Meldrew Livingstone, Livingstone, nobody and Corbyn. Not an impressive list.
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@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@Victor-Meldrew Livingstone, Livingstone, nobody and Corbyn. Not an impressive list.
So he's never successfully faced any serious opponents in 15 years of high-level politics? Right-o