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@Winger well, thus far it's certainly an interesting story: 4 years of continuous, unabashed frothing by the msm and dems to get the legally elected president ousted from office and then voila! 100,000 votes in Michigan and Wisconsin delivered to your door at 4am 🤔.
Nevermind, the dems love a presidential investigation so with Don Lemon's help we'll doubtless uncover the truth.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@JC said in US Politics:
Short answer is no. Like most things he talked a much better game than he delivered.
He delivered a lot
Changed the supreme court balance and many other courts
This isn’t really an achievement. It’s just taking advantage of an opportunity because it depends on judges dying. Obama would have done the same if he’d had enough judges go on his watch.
New trade agreement with Canada and Mexico. This can be used as a building block for other trade agreements
It’s NAFTA with a new frock.
Energy independence
That started a lot longer than 4 years ago and was mainly a function of new technologies becoming economically viable.
Pulled out of this terrible (for the US) Paris accord
Yep
Starting bringing the troops home
No, he continued bringing the troops home
Stopped the big pharma price rip off
He’s hardly dented it
Good progress with the wall with lots of opposition
But not built eh? And not paid for by the Mexicans.
Started challenging China. Rather than selling out
Not really. Some tariffs with debatable benefits. Should have done better given the almost universal backing from the public.
Nato, Put pressure on countries to front up financially
With no real effect
Rebuilt the military
For what purpose? You said you wanted all the troops home, so what’s he going to do with all that military? Which is it?
Stood up to the terrible mainstream media
And? What has it changed?
etc
lol
Edit: Look I know it’s not all his fault that he couldn’t get any bipartisan support for what he wanted, but the fact remains he hasn’t achieved as much as you say. You missed the Israel deals for which he can take credit. But really, there’s not a lot of substance in his legacy for someone so bullish. I suspect it’s because he’s a gadfly and won’t spend any intellectual capital on anything that’s not personally engaging to him. Which is common, but not great for a president.
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@JC trying to be objective I heard his name around things like gay rights in Muslim countries, reviewing wrongly incarcerated inmates ( with kim kardashian), lowest black unemployment figures. Maybe just clever publicity but it's in the same vein as Obama and drone strikes on weddings - you dunno how much he was actually responsible for.
I guess he somehow threw a different filter on what we thought of politics and how venal it actually is.
That thing with the north Korean haircut was unique, and well executed in the end. That was the bit that turned me to focus on his work, not his grotesque character.
Now Biden's got 4 years to determine Trump's place in presidential history.
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@Siam He strikes me as a placeholder president. For me, he was never going to achieve very much because he doesn’t seem to have the attention span.
He’s not stupid (although nowhere near as smart as he says he is IMO) but I don’t think he has the type of brain that solves difficult problems because he lacks that ability to just be still, empty his mind of preconceptions and and let himself think. Thought leadership takes discipline, which he lacks.
He will be the kind that believes he knows the answer to everything instinctively, which is just rehashing what you already believe. That’s a weakness, but he thinks it’s a strength.
On the other hand he’s not a leader. He can’t do the big picture stuff and lead a shit hot team to get stuff done, because I can’t see anybody being unfailingly loyal to him, because he’ll never be loyal back. He will take credit for people’s work, throw them under a bus, and won’t even see the point of nursing a teammate through a tricky patch.
Just my take on it FWIW.
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@booboo said in US Politics:
Anyone else finding the Donald Trump circus in equal parts entertaining and concerning? <br><br>
How is he even in the race?<br><br>
Is the any realistic possibility he could be there at the pointy end?You could have reposted this this week
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@Nevorian said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
Anyone else finding the Donald Trump circus in equal parts entertaining and concerning? <br><br>
How is he even in the race?<br><br>
Is the any realistic possibility he could be there at the pointy end?You could have reposted this this week
That was over FIVE years ago...
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Anyone won yet?
Haven't checked up for a bit.
Last I looked (few hours ago) seemed Biden would get 270-268 if he nabbed Nevada.
And there didn't seem to be a lot of close states where DJT could try and over turn anything.
Have I missed anything in the that 4-5 hours?
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@Winger said in US Politics:
Good progress with the wall with lots of opposition
About 15 miles of new wall, replacing around 300mi of barrier in disrepair last time I read up about it.
Not surprising that there was opposition to it, as it is a costly exercise that achieves very little. Lot of tunnels under the border, and lot of drones flying over it. Of course the Mexican equivalent of Bunnings is doing a roaring trade in power tools.
Bit of a white elephant really, well at least the bits that haven't blown down. Sub-contractors, eh? Can't trust 'em.
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
Energy independence
Please elaborate @Winger
I was tempted by this too but managed to resist the rancid bait...same as the wall aim you've taken on in the next post. You've more energy than me!!!
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@voodoo said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
Energy independence
Please elaborate @Winger
I was tempted by this too but managed to resist the rancid bait...same as the wall aim you've taken on in the next post. You've more energy than me!!!
I've not looked into the energy politics of the USA closely so I'm wondering what moves have been made in the last 4 years to gain this independence, that's all
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@voodoo said in US Politics:
@NTA said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
Energy independence
Please elaborate @Winger
I was tempted by this too but managed to resist the rancid bait...same as the wall aim you've taken on in the next post. You've more energy than me!!!
I've not looked into the energy politics of the USA closely so I'm wondering what moves have been made in the last 4 years to gain this independence, that's all
Well, you'll be left wondering for a while
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Interesting information (re the watermark) if true
Will DHS officials follow the watermark to verify the election?
Posted on November 5, 2020I’m happy to see that so many Americans came out to vote in this election. Record numbers cast their ballots for president.
But looking at the total votes cast is a little confusing in certain battleground states.
Pennsylvania had 500,000 more votes than people registered. North Carolina had 500,000 more votes than people registered. Nevada had 150,000 more votes than people registered. Georgia had 100,000 more votes than people registered.
These voter statistics point to something more nefarious going on. Many are multiple standard deviations from recent presidential election totals.
Well reportedly there is a way to discover if all these ballots cast are authentic, according to the Department of Homeland Security officials.
DHS, which printed the ballots, embedded radioactive isotopes and watermarks onto the legal ballots. A quick scan can pick up the identifying features to validate the vote.
This could be a way to authenticate the 138,000 mysterious ballots that showed up in Michigan Wednesday morning after state officials called an end to the count and said it would resume later in the morning. In fact the counting started up again only an hour later with the addition of the new cache of votes.
So will DHS officials follow the watermark to verify the election results? It appears that is what will happen.
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The plot thickens
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