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The US constitution specifically gives States the right to assign electors and the responsibility to organise federal elections as they see fit within the constitutional parameters set out.
It was also written by authors heavily influenced by the concept of three separate but equal branches of government, being the executive, legislative and judicial branches. A key and highly influential concept within that is the role of the judiciary to resolve problems and make rulings on whether laws have been followed and appropriate remedies where they haven't.
None of this is recent in the history of the USA and its constitution. Some are foundational concepts.
Essentially, the rules are set by state legislatures, carried out by the state executive (usually under the authority and oversight of the secretary of state/commonwealth), and issues are resolved via civil processes first, and in court where necessary as the arbiter of disputes. This is the understood mechanism for over 100 years.
It's one thing to wait for certification of results, or request recounts, or even go to court over specific issues. It's another to allege massive bipartisan fraud at all levels in multiple states and go to court and lose 20 times, and continue to make the allegations when the whole point of the entire system is that the courts are the final arbiters. It's especially quite something for a judge to ask a lawyer to answer a question as a member of the bar in an election court case. To paraphrase, that's a paddlin'.
The only way to get systemic reform of the election machinery into federal control is constitutional reform. That's not impossible, but I have to say that it's extraordinarily unlikely.
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@Godder said in US Politics:
It's especially quite something for a [Republican] judge to ask a lawyer to answer a question as a member of the bar in an election court case. To paraphrase, that's a paddlin'.
You missed out the most damning part 😉
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@canefan said in US Politics:
These futile legal actions are an assault on the entire American system. All at the whim of one man
Looks like the system is working to me. Entitled to use the court process to ensure a fair election, don’t present compelling evidence it doesn’t go anywhere.
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@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
These futile legal actions are an assault on the entire American system. All at the whim of one man
Looks like the system is working to me. Entitled to use the court process to ensure a fair election, don’t present compelling evidence it doesn’t go anywhere.
His cheating angle is being eaten up by his hardened support base. I don't believe that is healthy
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@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
These futile legal actions are an assault on the entire American system. All at the whim of one man
Looks like the system is working to me. Entitled to use the court process to ensure a fair election, don’t present compelling evidence it doesn’t go anywhere.
Whilst I think this is correct you have to ask yourself if the system is there to be bombarded with frivolous legal actions.
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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
These futile legal actions are an assault on the entire American system. All at the whim of one man
Looks like the system is working to me. Entitled to use the court process to ensure a fair election, don’t present compelling evidence it doesn’t go anywhere.
Whilst I think this is correct you have to ask yourself if the system is there to be bombarded with frivolous legal actions.
Consequences for that too, as we have seen.
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
These futile legal actions are an assault on the entire American system. All at the whim of one man
Looks like the system is working to me. Entitled to use the court process to ensure a fair election, don’t present compelling evidence it doesn’t go anywhere.
His cheating angle is being eaten up by his hardened support base. I don't believe that is healthy
It's less healthy (for US elections) if there has been cheating though. And the Trump lawyers etc claim there's lot of evidence. Im happy to wait and see and then form my opinion. But my gut says sleepy Joe (and his team) cheated. For one 78 million votes when Hillary only got 65million. And Obama (a million times better candidate than Joe) never hit 70 million. But I need to see the evidence.
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@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
These futile legal actions are an assault on the entire American system. All at the whim of one man
Looks like the system is working to me. Entitled to use the court process to ensure a fair election, don’t present compelling evidence it doesn’t go anywhere.
Whilst I think this is correct you have to ask yourself if the system is there to be bombarded with frivolous legal actions.
Consequences for that too, as we have seen.
This. Trumps team can't do this as his support will collapse.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
These futile legal actions are an assault on the entire American system. All at the whim of one man
Looks like the system is working to me. Entitled to use the court process to ensure a fair election, don’t present compelling evidence it doesn’t go anywhere.
His cheating angle is being eaten up by his hardened support base. I don't believe that is healthy
It's less healthy (for US elections) if there has been cheating though. And the Trump lawyers etc claim there's lot of evidence. Im happy to wait and see and then form my opinion. But my gut says sleepy Joe (and his team) cheated. For one 78 million votes when Hillary only got 65million. And Obama (a million times better candidate than Joe) never hit 70 million. But I need to see the evidence.
Will you stop peddling this same stupid line of reasoning? Its so fucking inane.
Joe couldn't get more than Obama, thats crazy! Must be cheating!
Did you ask yourself how Trump increased his own popular vote by 10m over 4yrs? Is he a-cheatin too? He must be!!!
Ah but the rallies eh, that must be it.
You're wasting everyone's time here pal.
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@voodoo said in US Politics:
Did you ask yourself how Trump increased his own popular vote by 10m over 4yrs? Is he a-cheatin too?
There's been zero claims (as far as I know) from the Democrats that Trump cheated. Or that Putin cheated on his behalf in this election. And look at history. Has a very poor candidate ever done as well as Joe did.
And the idea that people voted for Joe because of the orange man is the inane assertion
And there are other overall factors that just don't stack up. But as I said I will wait for the detailed evidence
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President Trump is as entitled to his day in court as any other US citizen. That said, some of the filings are being dismissed for not even meeting the basic standards, which negatively impacts the laywers' professional credibility. Because these issues are across various state and federal courts, it's unlikely to reach the threshold of abuse of process, but it would be nice if the President listened to his legal teams, who will no doubt be raising this on some level.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Godder said in US Politics:
but it would be nice if the President listened to his legal teams, who will no doubt be raising this on some level.
His three top members of his legal team are right behind the
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@voodoo said in US Politics:
Did you ask yourself how Trump increased his own popular vote by 10m over 4yrs? Is he a-cheatin too?
There's been zero claims (as far as I know) from the Democrats that Trump cheated. Or that Putin cheated on his behalf in this election. And look at history. Has a very poor candidate ever done as well as Joe did.
And the idea that people voted for Joe because of the orange man is the inane assertion
And there are other overall factors that just don't stack up. But as I said I will wait for the detailed evidence
Where is my "whoosh" emoji???
To answer your qns anyway:
Why would the side that won the popular vote and the electoral college count comfortably bother to claim fraud? They just want to get on and govern. [Edit - I also imagine they don't believe there was any fraud on any scale large enough to be of importance. Kinda what most moderate republicans believe (and yes @Siam, before you ask, I spoke to them all...😉 😁)]
What has Putin got to do with anything? I certainly didn't mention him.
Nobody has EVER done as well as Joe did. Or as well as Trump did.
BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE THAN EVER VOTED
Or was that fraudulent too?
Of course a bunch of people voted for Biden because they dislike Trump. Just as a bunch voted for Trump because they dislike Biden. How is that not obvious?
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Godder said in US Politics:
but it would be nice if the President listened to his legal teams, who will no doubt be raising this on some level.
His three top members of his legal team are right behind the material cheating claims.
Right down to authorising filing claims with literally no evidence? A claim that Republican observers were not permitted to observe the counting of votes led to the lawyer having to admit to the judge when questioned that there were in fact Republican observers present and permitted to observe the count - clearly a lawsuit worth filing...
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@voodoo said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@voodoo said in US Politics:
Did you ask yourself how Trump increased his own popular vote by 10m over 4yrs? Is he a-cheatin too?
There's been zero claims (as far as I know) from the Democrats that Trump cheated. Or that Putin cheated on his behalf in this election. And look at history. Has a very poor candidate ever done as well as Joe did.
And the idea that people voted for Joe because of the orange man is the inane assertion
And there are other overall factors that just don't stack up. But as I said I will wait for the detailed evidence
Where is my "whoosh" emoji???
To answer your qns anyway:
Why would the side that won the popular vote and the electoral college count comfortably bother to claim fraud? They just want to get on and govern. [Edit - I also imagine they don't believe there was any fraud on any scale large enough to be of importance. Kinda what most moderate republicans believe (and yes @Siam, before ask, I spoke to them all...😉 😁)]
What has Putin got to do with anything? I certainly didn't mention him.
Nobody has EVER done as well as Joe did. Or as well as Trump did.
BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE THAN EVER VOTED
Or was that fraudulent too?
Of course a bunch of people voted for Biden because they dislike Trump. Just as a bunch voted for Trump because they dislike Biden. How is that not obvious?
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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@voodoo said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@voodoo said in US Politics:
Did you ask yourself how Trump increased his own popular vote by 10m over 4yrs? Is he a-cheatin too?
There's been zero claims (as far as I know) from the Democrats that Trump cheated. Or that Putin cheated on his behalf in this election. And look at history. Has a very poor candidate ever done as well as Joe did.
And the idea that people voted for Joe because of the orange man is the inane assertion
And there are other overall factors that just don't stack up. But as I said I will wait for the detailed evidence
Where is my "whoosh" emoji???
To answer your qns anyway:
Why would the side that won the popular vote and the electoral college count comfortably bother to claim fraud? They just want to get on and govern. [Edit - I also imagine they don't believe there was any fraud on any scale large enough to be of importance. Kinda what most moderate republicans believe (and yes @Siam, before ask, I spoke to them all...😉 😁)]
What has Putin got to do with anything? I certainly didn't mention him.
Nobody has EVER done as well as Joe did. Or as well as Trump did.
BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE THAN EVER VOTED
Or was that fraudulent too?
Of course a bunch of people voted for Biden because they dislike Trump. Just as a bunch voted for Trump because they dislike Biden. How is that not obvious?
FIFY
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@voodoo said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@voodoo said in US Politics:
Did you ask yourself how Trump increased his own popular vote by 10m over 4yrs? Is he a-cheatin too?
There's been zero claims (as far as I know) from the Democrats that Trump cheated. Or that Putin cheated on his behalf in this election. And look at history. Has a very poor candidate ever done as well as Joe did.
And the idea that people voted for Joe because of the orange man is the inane assertion
And there are other overall factors that just don't stack up. But as I said I will wait for the detailed evidence
Where is my "whoosh" emoji???
I know, right? It’s like this
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