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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
These futile legal actions are an assault on the entire American system. All at the whim of one man
Looks like the system is working to me. Entitled to use the court process to ensure a fair election, don’t present compelling evidence it doesn’t go anywhere.
Whilst I think this is correct you have to ask yourself if the system is there to be bombarded with frivolous legal actions.
Consequences for that too, as we have seen.
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
These futile legal actions are an assault on the entire American system. All at the whim of one man
Looks like the system is working to me. Entitled to use the court process to ensure a fair election, don’t present compelling evidence it doesn’t go anywhere.
His cheating angle is being eaten up by his hardened support base. I don't believe that is healthy
It's less healthy (for US elections) if there has been cheating though. And the Trump lawyers etc claim there's lot of evidence. Im happy to wait and see and then form my opinion. But my gut says sleepy Joe (and his team) cheated. For one 78 million votes when Hillary only got 65million. And Obama (a million times better candidate than Joe) never hit 70 million. But I need to see the evidence.
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@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
These futile legal actions are an assault on the entire American system. All at the whim of one man
Looks like the system is working to me. Entitled to use the court process to ensure a fair election, don’t present compelling evidence it doesn’t go anywhere.
Whilst I think this is correct you have to ask yourself if the system is there to be bombarded with frivolous legal actions.
Consequences for that too, as we have seen.
This. Trumps team can't do this as his support will collapse.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
These futile legal actions are an assault on the entire American system. All at the whim of one man
Looks like the system is working to me. Entitled to use the court process to ensure a fair election, don’t present compelling evidence it doesn’t go anywhere.
His cheating angle is being eaten up by his hardened support base. I don't believe that is healthy
It's less healthy (for US elections) if there has been cheating though. And the Trump lawyers etc claim there's lot of evidence. Im happy to wait and see and then form my opinion. But my gut says sleepy Joe (and his team) cheated. For one 78 million votes when Hillary only got 65million. And Obama (a million times better candidate than Joe) never hit 70 million. But I need to see the evidence.
Will you stop peddling this same stupid line of reasoning? Its so fucking inane.
Joe couldn't get more than Obama, thats crazy! Must be cheating!
Did you ask yourself how Trump increased his own popular vote by 10m over 4yrs? Is he a-cheatin too? He must be!!!
Ah but the rallies eh, that must be it.
You're wasting everyone's time here pal.
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@voodoo said in US Politics:
Did you ask yourself how Trump increased his own popular vote by 10m over 4yrs? Is he a-cheatin too?
There's been zero claims (as far as I know) from the Democrats that Trump cheated. Or that Putin cheated on his behalf in this election. And look at history. Has a very poor candidate ever done as well as Joe did.
And the idea that people voted for Joe because of the orange man is the inane assertion
And there are other overall factors that just don't stack up. But as I said I will wait for the detailed evidence
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President Trump is as entitled to his day in court as any other US citizen. That said, some of the filings are being dismissed for not even meeting the basic standards, which negatively impacts the laywers' professional credibility. Because these issues are across various state and federal courts, it's unlikely to reach the threshold of abuse of process, but it would be nice if the President listened to his legal teams, who will no doubt be raising this on some level.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Godder said in US Politics:
but it would be nice if the President listened to his legal teams, who will no doubt be raising this on some level.
His three top members of his legal team are right behind the
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@voodoo said in US Politics:
Did you ask yourself how Trump increased his own popular vote by 10m over 4yrs? Is he a-cheatin too?
There's been zero claims (as far as I know) from the Democrats that Trump cheated. Or that Putin cheated on his behalf in this election. And look at history. Has a very poor candidate ever done as well as Joe did.
And the idea that people voted for Joe because of the orange man is the inane assertion
And there are other overall factors that just don't stack up. But as I said I will wait for the detailed evidence
Where is my "whoosh" emoji???
To answer your qns anyway:
Why would the side that won the popular vote and the electoral college count comfortably bother to claim fraud? They just want to get on and govern. [Edit - I also imagine they don't believe there was any fraud on any scale large enough to be of importance. Kinda what most moderate republicans believe (and yes @Siam, before you ask, I spoke to them all...😉 😁)]
What has Putin got to do with anything? I certainly didn't mention him.
Nobody has EVER done as well as Joe did. Or as well as Trump did.
BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE THAN EVER VOTED
Or was that fraudulent too?
Of course a bunch of people voted for Biden because they dislike Trump. Just as a bunch voted for Trump because they dislike Biden. How is that not obvious?
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Godder said in US Politics:
but it would be nice if the President listened to his legal teams, who will no doubt be raising this on some level.
His three top members of his legal team are right behind the material cheating claims.
Right down to authorising filing claims with literally no evidence? A claim that Republican observers were not permitted to observe the counting of votes led to the lawyer having to admit to the judge when questioned that there were in fact Republican observers present and permitted to observe the count - clearly a lawsuit worth filing...
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@voodoo said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@voodoo said in US Politics:
Did you ask yourself how Trump increased his own popular vote by 10m over 4yrs? Is he a-cheatin too?
There's been zero claims (as far as I know) from the Democrats that Trump cheated. Or that Putin cheated on his behalf in this election. And look at history. Has a very poor candidate ever done as well as Joe did.
And the idea that people voted for Joe because of the orange man is the inane assertion
And there are other overall factors that just don't stack up. But as I said I will wait for the detailed evidence
Where is my "whoosh" emoji???
To answer your qns anyway:
Why would the side that won the popular vote and the electoral college count comfortably bother to claim fraud? They just want to get on and govern. [Edit - I also imagine they don't believe there was any fraud on any scale large enough to be of importance. Kinda what most moderate republicans believe (and yes @Siam, before ask, I spoke to them all...😉 😁)]
What has Putin got to do with anything? I certainly didn't mention him.
Nobody has EVER done as well as Joe did. Or as well as Trump did.
BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE THAN EVER VOTED
Or was that fraudulent too?
Of course a bunch of people voted for Biden because they dislike Trump. Just as a bunch voted for Trump because they dislike Biden. How is that not obvious?
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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@voodoo said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@voodoo said in US Politics:
Did you ask yourself how Trump increased his own popular vote by 10m over 4yrs? Is he a-cheatin too?
There's been zero claims (as far as I know) from the Democrats that Trump cheated. Or that Putin cheated on his behalf in this election. And look at history. Has a very poor candidate ever done as well as Joe did.
And the idea that people voted for Joe because of the orange man is the inane assertion
And there are other overall factors that just don't stack up. But as I said I will wait for the detailed evidence
Where is my "whoosh" emoji???
To answer your qns anyway:
Why would the side that won the popular vote and the electoral college count comfortably bother to claim fraud? They just want to get on and govern. [Edit - I also imagine they don't believe there was any fraud on any scale large enough to be of importance. Kinda what most moderate republicans believe (and yes @Siam, before ask, I spoke to them all...😉 😁)]
What has Putin got to do with anything? I certainly didn't mention him.
Nobody has EVER done as well as Joe did. Or as well as Trump did.
BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE THAN EVER VOTED
Or was that fraudulent too?
Of course a bunch of people voted for Biden because they dislike Trump. Just as a bunch voted for Trump because they dislike Biden. How is that not obvious?
FIFY
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@voodoo said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@voodoo said in US Politics:
Did you ask yourself how Trump increased his own popular vote by 10m over 4yrs? Is he a-cheatin too?
There's been zero claims (as far as I know) from the Democrats that Trump cheated. Or that Putin cheated on his behalf in this election. And look at history. Has a very poor candidate ever done as well as Joe did.
And the idea that people voted for Joe because of the orange man is the inane assertion
And there are other overall factors that just don't stack up. But as I said I will wait for the detailed evidence
Where is my "whoosh" emoji???
I know, right? It’s like this
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Want to know why Main Stream Media isn't trusted any more? The NZ Herald headline is misleading clickbait
Donald Trump tried to launch nuclear strike after election loss
on the face of it, the indication is launching nukes. When you open the article, it's exploring bombing Iran's nuclear capabilities ... which is a problem, but nothing like deploying nuclear weapons.
FFS Herald (and others), he's a muppet, he's lost, but your credibility gets absolutely smashed when you put up headlines like this.
Maybe this should be grumpy old man territory, but the clickbait gets me proper cross these days.
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@nzzp said in US Politics:
Want to know why Main Stream Media isn't trusted any more? The NZ Herald headline is misleading clickbait
Donald Trump tried to launch nuclear strike after election loss
on the face of it, the indication is launching nukes. When you open the article, it's exploring bombing Iran's nuclear capabilities ... which is a problem, but nothing like deploying nuclear weapons.
FFS Herald (and others), he's a muppet, he's lost, but your credibility gets absolutely smashed when you put up headlines like this.
Maybe this should be grumpy old man territory, but the clickbait gets me proper cross these days.
And a big reason why I am not prepared to pay for using their app to flick through the “news”. Same with Stuff that keeps putting up an argument if “support quality journalism” then gets taken to the media council( or whatever it’s called) and pulled up for publishing deliberately misleading clickbait
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@nzzp said in US Politics:
Want to know why Main Stream Media isn't trusted any more? The NZ Herald headline is misleading clickbait
Donald Trump tried to launch nuclear strike after election loss
on the face of it, the indication is launching nukes. When you open the article, it's exploring bombing Iran's nuclear capabilities ... which is a problem, but nothing like deploying nuclear weapons.
FFS Herald (and others), he's a muppet, he's lost, but your credibility gets absolutely smashed when you put up headlines like this.
Maybe this should be grumpy old man territory, but the clickbait gets me proper cross these days.
Thats fucking average alright
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