The Artist Formerly Known As ... RIP
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<p>Sorry, I'm all for peoples memories, but the above is all absolute extreme bullshit.</p>
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<p>Better than the best guitarist ever, better dancer than the guy who WAS the game changer.</p>
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<p>What utter crap. I'm not disrespecting prince. I'm just not interested in seeing Hendrix and MJ disrespected because Prince died.</p>
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<p>I said played as good as Hendrix (which I believe is true). Hendrix was a true innovator and took things to different places (some of which Prince copied) but technically Prince would easily be his equal.</p>
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<p>And Imo he was actually a better dancer than MJ. He was a far more fluid mover and wasn't an over-rehearsed copier of everyone else's moves. MJ was only a game changer in that he had a more popular platform to display things in.</p>
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<p>I said played as good as Hendrix (which I believe is true). Hendrix was a true innovator and took things to different places (some of which Prince copied) but technically Prince would easily be his equal.</p>
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<p>And Imo he was actually a better dancer than MJ. He was a far more fluid mover and wasn't an over-rehearsed copier of everyone else's moves. MJ was only a game changer in that he had a more popular platform to display things in.</p>
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<p>I mean no disrespect at all to either of Hendrix or MJ.</p>
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<p>Guitar is a funny one, I mean <em>technically</em> guys like Blackmore took it to another level after Hendrix.....Van Halen even further.....Vai and Satriani further still........but Blackmore ( my second favourite axeman ever ) was about as far as I went in terms of guitar heroes. An awesome lead is only as good as the song it's in and I hate the soulless 80's shredding for shreddings sake. So yeah in terms of technical ability Prince was perhaps better than Hendrix who was known to be a bit sloppy and play out of tune....but Jimi changed EVERYTHING and had so much power, soul and amazing innovation in all he did. It's pretty obvious Hendrix inspired Prince, you just have to look at the clothes in Purple Rain. Princes lead break at the end of "Lets go Crazy" is as good as any guitar work I've ever heard but some might argue "aw Van Halen/Malmsteem/Vai or whoever could play heaps faster".....that's all a matter of opinion. In terms of his "moves" a guy like James Brown would have done exactly the same given MJ was a peer ( they were both about the same age )</p> -
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<p>I said played as good as Hendrix (which I believe is true). Hendrix was a true innovator and took things to different places (some of which Prince copied) but technically Prince would easily be his equal.</p>
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<p>And Imo he was actually a better dancer than MJ. He was a far more fluid mover and wasn't an over-rehearsed copier of everyone else's moves. MJ was only a game changer in that he had a more popular platform to display things in.</p>
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<p>I mean no disrespect at all to either of Hendrix or MJ.</p>
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<p>Agree to disagree on all of it.</p>
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<p>I'm just waiting for somebody to say he was a better songwriter then Lennon/McCartney or Jagger/Richards, and more influential on Rock Music than Led Zeppelin so we have the whole package all on one thread.</p> -
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<p>Looks like Prince may have been a heavy user of opiates for decades and this contributed to his demise</p>
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<p>I was reading somewhere else he was awake for days before dying too. Bloody shame.</p> -
<p>Prince was a modern day Howard Hughes only without completely shutting himself away.</p>
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<p>Making 100s of songs and locking them away. Just a very strange cat surrounded by people who tell him whatever he wants to hear until it gets to the point that hes batshit crazy on himself.</p>
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<p>I don't think people as talented as this can be normal though. I think there has to be a level of craziness that drives a genius to be just that.</p>
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<p>These type of people never seem to see old age unfortunately. Or maybe we just don't appreciate the old ones as much as the gone too soon versions.</p> -
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<p>Agree to disagree on all of it.</p>
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<p>I'm just waiting for somebody to say he was a<strong> better songwriter then Lennon/McCartney or Jagger/Richards</strong>, and more influential on Rock Music than Led Zeppelin so we have the whole package all on one thread.</p>
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<p>In my opinion he was, both those groups are ridiculously overrated.</p> -
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In my opinion he was, both those groups are ridiculously overrated.</p></blockquote>
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That should stir up some responses . I'm not sure two bands who were so influential in particular the Beatles could be called overrated . Having said that I can't stand most of the music the Beatles made so I've never understood their popularity . -
Sometimes music fans forget that we don't have to select a World Gat XV to play a gig against Mars. <br><br>
I neither know nor care whether Prince was the 1st, 5th, 12th, or 53,689th best guitarist in rock history. I just know that I like some of his songs, and that he's bloody good at playing songs on the guitar and at singing them. Unlike rugby, we don't have to pick The Best Drummer to take on the Wallabies... <br><br>
There are some amazingly talented and technical guitarists out there. There are also some great four chord songs. One of my favourite rock/pop songs features the lead guitarist on a mandolin. Technically it may be a different league to Clapton or whoever, but my ears could care less. <br><br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="574714" data-time="1461573183"><p>In my opinion he was, both those groups are ridiculously overrated.</p></blockquote>
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Modern music would be very different without (esp) Beatles and to a lesser extent the Stones<br><br>
It's quite probable whoever you do like wouldn't exist without those 2 groups. <br><br>
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<p>Context.<br><br>
Modern music would be very different without (esp) Beatles and to a lesser extent the Stones<br><br>
It's quite probable whoever you do like wouldn't exist without those 2 groups.<br><br>
Irrespective of whether you<br>
Like their tunes</p>
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<p>I do hear that to some extent, it's just that lyrics like "Love, love me do, you know I love you" and "Jumpin Jack flash it's a gas gas gas" don't inspire much awe in me. Groups of that era like the Who, Cream, the Animals and the Kinks did it for me more than they did.</p>
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<p>I'm sure plenty will jump on here and attack me but it's ok, the interweb can't hurt me.</p> -
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<p>I do hear that to some extent, it's just that lyrics like "Love, love me do, you know I love you" and "Jumpin Jack flash it's a gas gas gas" don't inspire much awe in me. Groups of that era like the Who, Cream, the Animals and the Kinks did it for me more than they did.</p>
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<p>I'm sure plenty will jump on here and attack me but it's ok, the interweb can't hurt me.</p>
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<p>Each to their own. There are plenty out there who think Bieber is up there with the best artists ever.</p>
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<p>I'll give it to Prince that he was one of the rare few who actually had music who appealed across pretty much so every genre - certainly part of his amazing multi-talent.</p>
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<p>I just don't agree that because he was extremely multi talented, he deserves to be ranked amongst, if not higher, than the very best of each of those talents.</p> -
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<p>I do hear that to some extent, it's just that lyrics like "Love, love me do, you know I love you" and "Jumpin Jack flash it's a gas gas gas" don't inspire much awe in me. Groups of that era like the Who, Cream, the Animals and the Kinks did it for me more than they did.</p>
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<p><strong>I'm sure plenty will jump on here and attack me but it's ok, the interweb can't hurt me.</strong></p>
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<p>I'm not going to attack you, just sit back and laugh at your lunacy. ;)</p>
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<p>Although, TBF I'm no Stones fan.</p> -
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<p>I do hear that to some extent, it's just that lyrics like "Love, love me do, you know I love you" </p>
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<p>So, as an example of the Beatles' lyrics, you pick out their first ever single, a song written by McCartney when he was 16. Seems fair. No cherry picking there.</p> -
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<p>Sometimes music fans forget that we don't have to select a World Gat XV to play a gig against Mars.<br><br>
I neither know nor care whether Prince was the 1st, 5th, 12th, or 53,689th best guitarist in rock history. I just know that I like some of his songs, and that he's bloody good at playing songs on the guitar and at singing them. Unlike rugby, we don't have to pick The Best Drummer to take on the Wallabies...<br><br>
There are some amazingly talented and technical guitarists out there. There are also some great four chord songs. One of my favourite rock/pop songs features the lead guitarist on a mandolin. Technically it may be a different league to Clapton or whoever, but my ears could care less.<br><br>
RIP Prince and thanks for the great songs to listen to.</p>
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<p>Personally, one of my favorite songs features the lead guitarist on a harp (the bassist learnt the Mandolin for another song on the album), but I would put the same lead guitarist up with the very best.</p>
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<p>But, really, I fully agree - it's about the music, and either you like it or you don't, regardless of the technical ability required to play it.</p> -
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<p>So, as an example of the Beatles' lyrics, you pick out their first ever single, a song written by McCartney when he was 16. Seems fair. No cherry picking there.</p>
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<p>If you feel so inclined you can bounce back with awesome lyrics about yellow submarines, walrus's or someone called Jude but don't bank on me seeing the light and changing my mind.</p> -
<p>Most pop lyrics from the 50's & 60's are woefully bad, its the music that set them apart. Its hard now to appreciate the "holy shitballs! what is the new thing I am hearing!!" impact of the Stones & the Beatles. Ditto the disco era 70's. Its why "artists" are forever sampling guys like Bee Jees. Because the underlying music is so good. The lyrics... not so much.</p>
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<p>Tho' thats true today of both lyrics & music. Most pop music has abysmal lyrics and just by listing to the music you'd struggle to tell most apart. In contrast you could instantly tell Beatles from Stones purely from the underlying music. I'd argue Crowded House had a period there where they combined the music with some really good lyrics. But not a very long period.... </p>
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<p>Prince was legendary largely because he could write incredibly catchy tunes (shit like Raspberry Beret"), and also staggeringly good lyrics (eg Sign o the Times). And then play all the instruments. And then perform them in a 2 hour show that would literally put every other act to shame.</p>
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<p>Clapton or Knoffler could play guitar like a god while stood rock still staring at the sky concentrating. Prince could do the same while dry humping 2 backing singers standing on a piano. One of which would need to take the morning after pill as a result.</p>
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<p>The backing singer. Not the piano.</p>
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<p>It's all subjective as someone mentioned before, I guess I just took a bit of offense to MajorRage having a go at Prince lyrically, part of me wants to point out that he sold a very respectful 100 million albums ( with very few in the last 20 or so years ) but that can be argued with some horrific artists who have also sold loads ( case in point, Beiber )</p>
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<p>It's all subjective as someone mentioned before, I guess I just took a bit of offense to MajorRage having a go at Prince lyrically, part of me wants to point out that he sold a very respectful 100 million albums ( with very few in the last 20 or so years ) but that can be argued with some horrific artists who have also sold loads ( case in point, Beiber )</p>
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<p>And that's almost my whole point. I didn't have a go at him, quite the opposite. I just don't agree that he's the bestest at everything, ever. Which this thread would have you believe.</p>
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<p>It's just utter bullshit.</p>