Aussie Cricket



  • We're not the only Australasian cricket team currently getting their ass handed to them overseas.

    The Aussies are 0-4 down in their ODI series, and getting spanked in each game. And people aren't happy. Firstly their is a fair bit of negative opinion being spoken and written about them (especially gobby Warner and the deeply average Wade) continuing to mouth of and sledge incessantly despite the pounding they are taking. Seocndly the decision to rest both of their fit front line bowlers at the same time (this a month or so after deciding to send Smith home mid-series), leaving a deeply average attack in South Africa that is getting slapped all around the park.

    On a separate, but related note, the inquest into the death of Phil Hughes is going on at the moment. A terrible tragedy we all agree, however some of the lines of questioning have left me a little uncomfortable. Players have been questioned over their alleged sledges (it has been alleged by Hughes' family that the bowlers threatened to "kill him"), and the tactics of bowling around the wicket, and short.

    Both of these things are normal parts of cricket, why are they being questioned because of a freak occurrence?



  • Yeah cricket is in a weird place at the moment. I'd consider myself a big cricket fan, and there have been at least 10 matches this year where not only could I not tell you the result, but I didn't even know they were playing until after the match.

    It's taken 'meaningless filler' to a whole new level. I couldn't really give two shits if we win or lose, either.

    And the Hughes inquest is just harrowing. You feel for all involved, and I can't help thinking this was one that should have been conducted behind closed doors.



  • The World Cup brought the ODI back in to fashion. But it seems we are going back to the overkill of a few years back when people just lost interest.

    It's pretty clear the ACB is using the last 2 ODI series to rest players, and build depth for the domestic summer. And that's fair enough i guess. Their priorities are different to us as cricket fans



  • Hmmmm looks like Jeff Thomson and any number of 70s/80s West Indian Fast bowlers could be up on multiple counts of attempted murder.



  • @MN5 said in Aussie Cricket:

    Hmmmm looks like Jeff Thomson and any number of 70s/80s West Indian Fast bowlers could be up on multiple counts of attempted murder.

    Anyone who has ever bowled above military medium ever? (And even then I occassionally tried a bouncer...)



  • Totally unnecessary but it is nice to see muppets like Haddin squirming and being asked awkward questions.
    If anything it puts under the spotlight the Aussie win at all costs prepare for a fucken broken arm attitude.



  • Two things about this thread stand out for me:

    1. Virgil didn't post it

    2. It took Virgil 18 hours to get to it. Usually his "FUCKEN AUSSIES R SHUT, BRO!" senses have gone off well before then.

    Like @barbarian I'm a cricket fan and remember, as a kid, hankering for the summer to come around. As someone who doesn't have Pay TV, you'd barely know we were playing except for the odd tweet coming through from people reporting overseas.



  • @Virgil said in Aussie Cricket:

    Totally unnecessary but it is nice to see muppets like Haddin squirming and being asked awkward questions.
    If anything it puts under the spotlight the Aussie win at all costs prepare for a fucken broken arm attitude.

    Man it takes a pretty twisted mind to take pleasure in someone having to give testimony about a mate's death at the coroner's court. A death that was incredibly tragic and totally accidental.



  • @barbarian said in Aussie Cricket:

    @Virgil said in Aussie Cricket:

    Totally unnecessary but it is nice to see muppets like Haddin squirming and being asked awkward questions.
    If anything it puts under the spotlight the Aussie win at all costs prepare for a fucken broken arm attitude.

    Man it takes a pretty twisted mind to take pleasure in someone having to give testimony about a mate's death at the coroner's court. A death that was incredibly tragic and totally accidental.

    fucking this. Give yourself an uppercut Virg, not your finest moment



  • @MN5 said in Aussie Cricket:

    Hmmmm looks like Jeff Thomson and any number of 70s/80s West Indian Fast bowlers could be up on multiple counts of attempted murder.

    Even if Bollinger did say words to the effect of "I am going to kill you" he certainly did not mean it literally. The battle between bat and ball is as much a mental one as a physical one, and while these days we and others are leading the trend away from really bad sledging it has always been part of the game. Back before the bouncer rules it was not uncommon to get a whole over of them if you were on tour in the Windies, and guys like Ambrose were not smiling as they threw them down either



  • @canefan said in Aussie Cricket:

    @MN5 said in Aussie Cricket:

    Hmmmm looks like Jeff Thomson and any number of 70s/80s West Indian Fast bowlers could be up on multiple counts of attempted murder.

    Even if Bollinger did say words to the effect of "I am going to kill you" he certainly did not mean it literally. The battle between bat and ball is as much a mental one as a physical one, and while these days we and others are leading the trend away from really bad sledging it has always been part of the game. Back before the bouncer rules it was not uncommon to get a whole over of them if you were on tour in the Windies, and guys like Ambrose were not smiling as they threw them down either

    I don't have a clue what sledging has to do with this. A bouncer is a completely legitimate delivery. We have our own bouncer merchant in Wagner - if he hits someone on the head does it matter what he said before hand?

    Really feel for all involved, trying to get closure on what was a tragic accident but having to re-live it all again.

    Edit - agree with what your saying CF.



  • @No-Quarter was the inquest instigated by the government or the family? Terrible for all as you say, like losing him all over again



  • On the Aussie cricket team, their recent results really reinforce how bloody difficult it is to win away from home. To the point that they are resting players to ensure they are fit for the summer as losing at home is not an option, whereas losing overseas during winter will mostly fly under the radar.



  • @canefan said in Aussie Cricket:

    @No-Quarter was the inquest instigated by the government or the family? Terrible for all as you say, like losing him all over again

    Any unusual death requires an inquest



  • Another team struggling a bit overseas is England who are 1-1 with Bangladesh, with the series decider today. Bangles boys really ripping in as well, I'm sure Stokes will be particularly upset about the sledging. Might have to write another book after the series.



  • @barbarian said in Aussie Cricket:

    @Virgil said in Aussie Cricket:

    Totally unnecessary but it is nice to see muppets like Haddin squirming and being asked awkward questions.
    If anything it puts under the spotlight the Aussie win at all costs prepare for a fucken broken arm attitude.

    Man it takes a pretty twisted mind to take pleasure in someone having to give testimony about a mate's death at the coroner's court. A death that was incredibly tragic and totally accidental.

    Haddin would be one of, if not my number one hatiest, sports stars but have to agree with what is said. I'm sure Virg didn't mean it like that but any chance to have a sporting dig takes a backseat when someone has lost their life.



  • 0-5 whitewash confirmed. Bowlers took their usual tap, and their batsmen couldn't get it done despite Warner getting 173.

    The bowling attack was substandard, and struggled, but that batting lineup was first choice, with Warner, Finch, Smith, Bailey and M Marsh all playing. Only one of those players goes home a success. Warner, as much as i hate that dopey, belligerent little dwarf, scored 386 runs @ 77, with a strike rate of 113. That's a great series.

    M Marsh appears to be the latest in a long line of not really good enough all rounders who get constantly picked.



  • Bloody hell that's an insane innings. Finch with 19 from 40, what a fail. Just needed one other bloke to get a decent 50 and they're home, Warner will be spewing.



  • Warner was Ponting-esque in his innings. Clean striking and never looked rattled.

    Smith and Finch the biggest failures of the series. Finch looks a little more rotund than previous.





  • @Donsteppa yep, i was going to write about this today. There seems a lot of anger from the Hughes family towards cricket, and that days play. And the media are not helping by how they are reporting (i read an article this morning where his dad kept saying "bullshit" during someone's testimony.

    If indeed they are angry, i would love to know what at?



  • @mariner4life said in Aussie Cricket:

    @Donsteppa yep, i was going to write about this today. There seems a lot of anger from the Hughes family towards cricket, and that days play. And the media are not helping by how they are reporting (i read an article this morning where his dad kept saying "bullshit" during someone's testimony.

    If indeed they are angry, i would love to know what at?

    I'm guessing:
    They lost their son. They want him back. They're angry at that and they need someone or something to blame. To direct their anger at. They think that will make it right. Make them feel better if that someone or somethibg is punished.

    Sad fact is none of that will happen.

    Phil will still be dead and they will still be sad and angry.



  • @booboo That seems to be a big part of it, but there's an implication that maybe the stories at the inquest aren't what the family believed were the case at the time - whether they're right in that belief or not is the million dollar question...



  • I think they're angry at the players only being questioned so long after the incident?

    Fuck knows. Its a shit situation. Grilling players about sledges isn't going to bring anyone back. Rewriting the laws of cricket will not actually help the game.



  • Virg, are you there....VIIIIIIRRRRRGGGILLLL.........



  • @NTA it seemed a bit more than that though because it appeared to be directed at the players, whereas that type of grievance should be directed at police/coroner.

    It's hard to know what is actually happening here.



  • @mariner4life said in Aussie Cricket:

    @Donsteppa yep, i was going to write about this today. There seems a lot of anger from the Hughes family towards cricket, and that days play. And the media are not helping by how they are reporting (i read an article this morning where his dad kept saying "bullshit" during someone's testimony.

    If indeed they are angry, i would love to know what at?

    Yeah, the whole thing has left me bewildered as to what anyone expected to come out of it. Rather unedifying for the family. I mean, so what if they sledged him? Did you see the fluke manner in which he died? As if someone meant to kill him.



  • sounds like it got worse today, and i really don't know what the Hughes family are trying to get out of this?

    Cricketers under attack from family lawyer



  • @dK said in Aussie Cricket:

    Virg, are you there....VIIIIIIRRRRRGGGILLLL.........

    You need to do it like this under the new fern regime.

    @Virgil

    I hope this helps.



  • @dK said in Aussie Cricket:

    Virg, are you there....VIIIIIIRRRRRGGGILLLL.........

    Yup im here, keeping my opinions to myself..



  • This is a good piece from Malcolm Knox. Don't think any of us can fully appreciate what the Hughes family is going through.

    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/the-good-that-may-yet-come-from-the-phillip-hughes-inquest-20161013-gs22mu.html



  • Great read.

    What I'm bemused about is that - if Bollinger did make that sledge and Haddin had gone in wth that game plan, etc - why deny it now when the family believes it to be true from the time - and from another player.

    Possibly none of it was said or short pitched bowling planned, but I think:

    • even a kid bowling in the back of Afghanistan would have been vaguely aware that an Australian batsman called Philip Hughes had a known weakness against the short ball... if they hadn't planned to give him the odd bouncer it would have been unusual...

    • Bollinger's alleged sledge: again, anyone who's ever bowled a bouncer remembers steaming in fuming that "I'm going to knock this fucking fluffybunny's block off" - yet would have been horrified had we literally succeeed. I don't think anyone who knows the game beyond the headlines would have thought lesser of him for saying it*.

    (*) yes, I'm in the crowd of "Brud Huddun's all shut bro", but there's a difference in scale between sportsmanship and a situation where someone dies on the pitch.

    Would it have done any harm to admit to it all, or did the session not really play out that way? Either way, it's very sad.



  • @barbarian said in Aussie Cricket:

    This is a good piece from Malcolm Knox. Don't think any of us can fully appreciate what the Hughes family is going through.

    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/the-good-that-may-yet-come-from-the-phillip-hughes-inquest-20161013-gs22mu.html

    One small part that detracts from an otherwise good piece:

    Telling them to move on? Their grief is literally unimaginable.

    Ah, no it's literally not. https://bitre.gov.au/statistics/safety/fatal_road_crash_database.aspx

    @Donsteppa said in Aussie Cricket:

    Would it have done any harm to admit to it all, or did the session not really play out that way? EIther way, it's very sad.

    I haven't been across the evidence to make an informed response, but I can imagine that if it did and they admitted to it, if they were concerned about ramifications. Regardless you are correct; it's sad.



  • Crowe's article really stood out for me at the time. Especially (but not only) the sentiment about how many bullets everyone else has dodged over the years. Even after hearing Hughes was in hospital, I didn't assume the worst.

    Short pitched bowling and related sledging were hardly unique to Haddin, Bollinger, and Abbot.



  • I read a report that something that was pissing the family off was a long list of players relying "I don't recall" ad nauseam to questions. I can see their point if this is the case. Everything on that days play would be etched in my memory for years if I had been playing.



  • I think a good thing was the rapid redesign of helmets to help prevent a reoccurrence. I recall as a young lad seeing the first guys wearing motorcycle helmets playing first class cricket.

    Helmet or not, facing up to genuine pace requires bravery.



  • @Catogrande said in Aussie Cricket:

    I read a report that something that was pissing the family off was a long list of players relying "I don't recall" ad nauseam to questions. I can see their point if this is the case. Everything on that days play would be etched in my memory for years if I had been playing.

    If they were asked about it a year later? Two years?

    The incident itself would have wiped out everything before it on the day, for some of those blokes. The horror of the incident itself writ large and all that



  • @NTA said in Aussie Cricket:

    @Catogrande said in Aussie Cricket:

    I read a report that something that was pissing the family off was a long list of players relying "I don't recall" ad nauseam to questions. I can see their point if this is the case. Everything on that days play would be etched in my memory for years if I had been playing.

    If they were asked about it a year later? Two years?

    The incident itself would have wiped out everything before it on the day, for some of those blokes. The horror of the incident itself writ large and all that

    You don't think the sheer starkness of the memory of saying 'I'm going to kill you' - and then later that day a fellow bowler doing essentially that - wouldn't somehow outlast that shock, horror, and numbness?

    I can get that remembering a random unrelated sledge from three overs earlier might not be on... but I did see Haddin remembering a general chat with Hughes about his health - so broadly it sounds like some things from some of the players were "I can't recall", and other things were remembered... which hasn't helped Mr Hughes's demeanour.

    Though to be fair, nothing short of bring back Phil really could.



  • @Catogrande said in Aussie Cricket:

    I read a report that something that was pissing the family off was a long list of players relying "I don't recall" ad nauseam to questions. I can see their point if this is the case. Everything on that days play would be etched in my memory for years if I had been playing.

    Yep, the article pretty clearly points out much of their anger comes from them being interviewed a month after & the players 2 years after so a lot of variance which has led to the family being portayed as grief striken liars

    "Notwithstanding how difficult this has been for the players called to appear, the family's resentment comes after days of conflicting evidence that has effectively painted them as liars. Those close to them say the week has been much tougher on them than many had initially feared. They are aware of some of the puerile attacks on social media."



  • @Donsteppa said in Aussie Cricket:

    You don't think the sheer starkness of the memory of saying 'I'm going to kill you' - and then later that day a fellow bowler doing essentially that - wouldn't somehow outlast that shock, horror, and numbness?

    As I said: "for some of these blokes".

    Everyone is going to react a different way. When an explosion happens, some run away from the blast. Some run towards it. Some amble around, incoherent. They'll all remember what happened differently.

    People at the ground were close friends with Hughes, or team mates, or largely bystanders. Everyone is going to have a different version of the story. Nobody has the truth, beyond the fact that a young man, in the prime of his life, is dead.

    How dragging it through the media is of benefit, I'm yet to figure out.


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