Champions Trophy
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That's a pretty disappointing result overall. I was a little surprised to see us bowl first - I think in the modern game batting first and setting a par score of around 290-300 is the way to go as that allows you to at least try and build some scoreboard pressure in the 2nd innings, even if the ball is not doing much.
Agree with @KiwiPie's summary. We are very reliant on our top 4 scoring the bulk of the runs as we don't seem to get much more then 5-10 runs out of each of our middle-lower order. Annoying that Guppy has got two starts but hasn't gone on with it.
Now we need to beat 7 shades of shit out of Bangladesh to get ahead of Aus who will probably beat England now that England are already through.
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@KiwiPie said in Champions Trophy:
@Bovidae The rest of the team should pay his fine as he's carrying a few of them
How many more of these fines does he need to cop before he's faced with a ban?
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@KiwiPie At last Neesham showed intent. I think that's all we can hope for, some intent, urgency and the correct reading of the match situation. Taylor doesn't seem to change his style no matter what the match situation is and should have done better as the senior pro. Broom and Anderson need to go.
Feel so sorry for KW and even Guptill. These two are the only batsmen who understand how to bat.
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@akan004 Taylor plays an important role in anchoring the innings and ensuring we don't lose too many early wickets. His problem at the moment is he only has two gears - conservative and all out slog. And when he switches he gets himself out to a poor shot. Kane is awesome as he cranks up the gears as the game wears on and by the final overs is going all out. We need that from Taylor as well.
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Seems like our batting all reverted to (recent) type in this game. Aside from Guppy - if he'd scored another 20 runs, it would have been a perfect illustration.
Rossco seems to be struggling a bit. He's still scoring some runs, but he's struggling to maintain a decent strike rate and that was the case in most of the Ireland-Bangles series, where he was pretty slow early until he was well set.
The Broom, Neesham, Anderson, Santner axis failed again. Neesham, Anderson and Santner have collectively done very little with the bat all tour. Broom is no Grant Elliott, which I hoped he might be after he got those three good scores in a row (i.e. have a real purple patch in the autumn of his career)..
However, the die is cast, I think. For the Bangles, we could bring in Tom Latham for Ronchi, which would increase the probability of us winning that game - but, I think, reduce the probability of us winning the tournament - for which our best chance is having Ronchi flounder a couple of fast starts and Guppy and Kane together make some big scores - with a little bit of help lower down.
All-in-all, we don't really have the quality to win. Given that the next batting cab off the rank is probably Colin Munro, I'm not optimistic that we've got the replacements for Ronchi, Broom and Rossco coming through and we will need them sooner rather than later.
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@No-Quarter said in Champions Trophy:
Now we need to beat 7 shades of shit out of Bangladesh to get ahead of Aus who will probably beat England now that England are already through.
If Oz beat England, we're gone. We just need to beat Bangladesh and hope England beat Oz.
If, however, the Oz-England game is rained out - we need to beat the Bangles by more than England beat us to get ahead of the Australians' net runrate of 0!
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@Donsteppa said in Champions Trophy:
Same batting coach, same thin middle order, same results...
On the other hand - he's worked wonders with Kane! He just needs to do the same thing with all the others!
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@Chris-B Ahh, yeah, Aus have two draws to our one draw and one loss. My bad. Comon England!!
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@mimic You reckon Ronchi wasting that ball at the start was crucial?
It's not actually the stupidest idea (Kane opening) - I suggested it myself a few months ago. But, I tend to think have Ronchi in a pinch hitting role at the top isn't a bad idea. If he comes off, like he did vs Oz, then we are away to a flier and it takes some pressure off Guppy, Kane and Rossco. Problem is - he won't come off often enough in the long run. But, for this tournament we really only need him to get lucky in a couple of games.
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@Chris-B. said in Champions Trophy:
@mimic You reckon Ronchi wasting that ball at the start was crucial?
It's not actually the stupidest idea (Kane opening) - I suggested it myself a few months ago. But, I tend to think have Ronchi in a pinch hitting role at the top isn't a bad idea. If he comes off, like he did vs Oz, then we are away to a flier and it takes some pressure off Guppy, Kane and Rossco. Problem is - he won't come off often enough in the long run. But, for this tournament we really only need him to get lucky in a couple of games.
I was thinking more along of the lines that Ronchi can go from ball one, whether opening or batting at 7..
The batting lineup I suggested was more about giving Neesham more time to bat in the middle, before pushing up the pace.. I really rate him as a batsman, and I think he is being wasted as a hitter at the end. The problem with our middle order is that they are shit even when under no pressure. -
Some pretty interesting results in the other pool. Pakistan getting slapped by India, but then beating SA in a rain affected match. Sri Lanka chasing down 322 to beat India (which is fucking AWESOME). All teams in that pool are 1-1.
Our pool has been fucked by rain unfortunately but we need to give the Banlges a good old fashioned hiding tonight to give ourselves the best chance of going through. Looking for us to bat first and set 350+, big hundreds to Guppy and Kane.
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@No-Quarter I'd missed that Pakistan result! Looks like they were on course to win if it went to 50 overs, as well. Just needing 100 runs from 23 overs.
Sooo...unless rain interrupts both games, one of India or South Africa is going home!
Ideal result for us would be rain interrupting the India-SA match allowing the winner of Pakistan-Sri Lanka to top that group.
Then we thrash the Bangles and England thrash Australia.
Sorted!
I said at the start we'd need to burgle this!
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@Chris-B. said in Champions Trophy:
Wet outfield delaying the start.
Christ almighty - it's supposed to be summer and our Champions Trophy aspirations are being scuppered by endless rain.
The irony of my previous post is not lost on me, though!
This IS summer.
Had a dry winter. The sunthen peeked out for a few cracker days but then shit the bed and ran away.