Vegas Shooting



  • Another mass shooting, this time in Vegas. Some pathetic scumbag raining bullets down on a crowd of around 20,000 with a fully automatic weapon. I fear the fatalities will be high for this one. How farking twisted do you have to be...



  • Reports are at least 20 people are dead and 100 people were injured. Violent culture, easy access to firearms and this is inevitable.



  • @antipodean That's harrowing. Got knows how many rounds fired. I guess now wait to see if it's the usual Seppo nut job with a small dick or some Islamist in search of his 72 raisins.



  • @no-quarter said in Vegas Shooting:

    Another mass shooting, this time in Vegas. Some pathetic scumbag raining bullets down on a crowd of around 20,000 with a fully automatic weapon. I fear the fatalities will be high for this one. How farking twisted do you have to be...

    It was a country music festival in the middle of a bunch of hotels that had been twanging away all weekend. There's only so much a man can take....



  • Reporting 50 dead now, 200+ injured.

    Officially the worst mass shooting in US history.

    Shooter is a 64yo white male named Stephen Paddock. Accomplice has been noted as an Asian female but nothing else I've seen



  • @crucial Dan Bilzerian was apparently caught up in it.

    Regret to inform that early reports indicate he's still alive...



  • Apparently, the shooter's girlfriend is Australian.



  • @antipodean being named as Marilou Danley



  • @nta said in Vegas Shooting:

    @antipodean being named as Marilou Danley

    Reported that she's since been found and interviewed.



  • @nta said in Vegas Shooting:

    Dan Bilzerian

    Sorry. Had to google who he was.



  • @crucial Did you Google him by name or by "vacuous waste of space"?



  • @catogrande said in Vegas Shooting:

    @crucial Did you Google him by name or by "vacuous waste of space"?

    By name. The result that mentioned instagram made the second part obvious.
    People whose claim to fame is derived by taking a photo of their dinner? Sheesh.



  • You can open carry an assault weapon in Vegas.

    Better put some more more extreme vetting on those borders for the tourists though.

    Fucked up country!

    Edit: apparently open carry is completely legal throughout Nevada except in a few designated places like any govt building or legislature. So the law makers won't control it except to protect themselves.



  • Horrific. Jesus there goes the 'gun ownership makes people safer' narrative. Not when someone has done some planning and is hell bent on killing innocent people.



  • @no-quarter said in Vegas Shooting:

    Another mass shooting, this time in Vegas. Some pathetic scumbag raining bullets down on a crowd of around 20,000 with a fully automatic weapon. I fear the fatalities will be high for this one. How farking twisted do you have to be...

    Not sure fully automatic, apparently they actually ARE tightly regulated in the States. Semi-automatic on the other hand...don't ever see the American fixation with the right to have a gun ever changing.



  • @billy-tell said in Vegas Shooting:

    @no-quarter said in Vegas Shooting:

    Another mass shooting, this time in Vegas. Some pathetic scumbag raining bullets down on a crowd of around 20,000 with a fully automatic weapon. I fear the fatalities will be high for this one. How farking twisted do you have to be...

    Not sure fully automatic, apparently they actually ARE tightly regulated in the States. Semi-automatic on the other hand...don't ever see the American fixation with the right to have a gun ever changing.

    Dunno if you saw the vid that @antipodean posted earlier (seems to have got lost now) but to this untrained ear it seemed to be a fully automatic weapon the killer was using. I've also seen some pics of the site and he was shooting from some way away, downhill from the 32nd floor. That distance, with that accuracy (OK big target but shooting downhill is easy to fire high) with that rate of fire equals one hell of a weapon I'd have thought.

    You'd certainly hope that fully automatic weapons are tightly regulated but the evidence would suggest it isn't very effective.



  • @catogrande caught a few things about tweaks that can get made to semi's - to increase rate of fire etc. He had like 10 guns with him? so he may have lined them up and just shot them dry.

    Filth, pure filth. But if you have bad, bad apples, and you allow guns to be freely available...



  • @paekakboyz The vid that @antipodean posted seemed to show almost continuous fire, so yeah he could have bled each one dry I guess but they would have to have been very large capacity mags. Somewhere near 600 hits too. That's some fucked up shit all right.



  • Selling automatic weapons is not illegal - selling automatic components is not.

    You can buy bits of a firearm of almost any type in the USA and refit what you need to get the result you want.

    For example, if you've got USD$8k you can not only buy the semi-auto version of the FN M249 SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon):

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/04/10/fnh-usa-release-semi-auto-version-m249-public/

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    You can find or build what you need to replace the firing mechanism.

    Thing is, if you fired that (or any other auto weapon) continuously, you'd melt that fucker.



  • ISIS, according to a regurgitated article on stuff, have claimed responsibility......



  • ISIS would claim Tom Petty's fucking heart attack as one of theirs if they thought any whack job would believe them.

    Shows how desperate they're getting.



  • Cue yet another cycle of politicians thoughts and prayers while an NRA rep slips a cheque in their pocket. They won't do jack shit about gun control. If the murder of babies at school wasn't enough to jolt them out of their fucked up worship of the (bastardised) 2nd amendment and NRA financial clout, nothing will.





  • @catogrande just read that the State NRA rep said the only limit on magazine size is your strength! ie they can be as big as you like, and can carry. wtf!!



  • US gun share prices are rocketing ...

    Gotta a good mate who lives state side, and he can't understand why I can live in the UK due to the safety issues around terrorism etc. I'll take that any day over US gun problems.

    Australia has proved that gun control works. It's unfathomable what goes on there around the right to pack heat.



  • If you believe the stereotype about country music fans and where they come from in the US, I'm sure a lot of the crowd were packing side arms.



  • Thing is, with the gun restrictions, if someone wants to get hold of something, they will get hold of something...so in a country like the US where you can get almost anything.

    I always remember some teen posting on Youtube years ago how to make a flamethrower form stuff you can buy at a hardware shop, helped by his ex-Military neighbour. Amongst the posts on his Youtube page was a comment by some nutter about how he could turn the fuel into a napalm type making it harder to put out and therefore increase bodycount!

    @bovidae well a senior Lawyer in the US has been sacked for an unsympathetic view of exactly that....

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/97488933/us-tv-network-fires-lawyer-who-said-she-had-no-sympathy-for-las-vegas-victims



  • What a fucking c%$t. Sadly, the world has plenty of them, which is f&%king worrying.

    My FB feed can be divided by:

    GOP friends: We're praying for Nevada (including the 'pray for Nevada' photo)

    Democrats: Gun control. Now.

    This showed up in my feed, which is fucking scary as fuck if true (it's unilad, so treat it with some caution):

    There Have Been 273 Mass Shootings In 275 Days This Year In The US

    Incl.

    This year alone there have been over 11,600 deaths in the USA, which is almost four times the number of people killed in the September 11 attacks of 2001.

    Last year, there were more mass shootings than there were days, with 383 incidents in the year – totalling 15,000 deaths.

    It isn’t just adults who suffer from the gun violence in the United States, with an average of 1,297 child deaths in the country on a yearly average.



  • @taniwharugby said in Vegas Shooting:

    I always remember some teen posting on Youtube years ago how to make a flamethrower form stuff you can buy at a hardware shop, helped by his ex-Military neighbour. Amongst the posts on his Youtube page was a comment by some nutter about how he could turn the fuel into a napalm type making it harder to put out and therefore increase bodycount!

    That's for when the guvmint comes to take your guns away!

    Flamethrowers are an idiot's weapon...



  • @gt12 It's been just over a year since the Pulse nightclub mass shooting, which was the former record holder for most deadly.



  • TBH it's a pretty good plan if you're not interested in getting away with it; semi auto fired into large crowd from elevated position.


  • Banned

    I'm in total agreement about the lunatic US gun culture but I think the gun control ship sailed a long time ago. With hundreds and millions of guns floating around, restrictions will have sfa impact. Some of the areas in the US with the strictest gun control laws have the worst gun violence.

    A totally fucked situation.



  • @Rancid-Schnitzel Nuts! I thought the spoiler was the solving of the problem...


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    @hooroo said in Vegas Shooting:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel Nuts! I thought the spoiler was the solving of the problem...

    Sorry. It seems to pop up whenever I use my mobile. Fat fingers.



  • The importance of the 2nd amendment is a hard one to get your head around as an outsider. A lot of it boils down to the importance of both freedom and self responsibility in the American psyche. Their anthem sums it up:

    "O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave. "

    They have the freedom to bear arms but that freedom does come at a cost. The question is are the citizens still brave enough to pay that cost? I think they still are.

    Freedom isn't free. And as history has shown us governments can and will become corrupt and fail its people. Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Communist China, Venezuala and many more. Just because western countries come from British liberalism doesn't mean they are immune to failure, and if the black masked protestors we see at rallys are anything to go by then there are certainly people itching for it.

    Whether guns would make a difference if a goverment did become tyrannical, who knows, but it certainly would give pause for thought knowing that the 8th largest army in the world could be the 600,000 hunters in Wisconsin alone.

    There is also some evidence which suggests certain crimes are reduced in correlation with higher gun ownership with arguments made that open-carry states have 23% less violent crime as well as drop offs in rape and burglary. Stats are of course easily perverted and it is hard to find articles that don't have a narrative to sell. The idea that gun ownership reduces rape especially makes logical sense. I guess the question becomes how many rapes prevented would justify 1 innocent persons death? You might say zero until you consider what your thoughts might be if the person raped could be a family member.

    It certainly is a very different world over there.



  • The point missing in your post is acknowledgment of the fact America has a violence problem which, when mixed with easy access to firearms, results in an astonishing firearm homicide rate. Seems a hell of a price to pay so your next door neighbour can feel safer about his wife not being raped...

    The elephant in the room is they aren't, by any stretch of the imagination, "home of the free".



  • @rembrandt

    Just as an aside, what's your source for that percentage?

    Most of the earlier studies have been debunked, so I'd be interested to hear if you are sourcing to a newer study than the Lott and Mustard study from 1997.



  • Gun control would not have stopped this atrocity.

    Fully automatic weapons (a machine-gun) like this guy used have been illegal for sale & possession in USA since 1986.

    It's funny listening to the American leftist mob stubbornly insist for months that it's impossible to verify how many illegal aliens are in their country so why bother trying to fix the problem givem all amnesty -- then out of the other side of their mouths demand the Feds account-for, round-up and confiscate all 300+ million firearms in the United States. I'll give them marks for chutzpah.

    And again, stricter gun control like they have in France would not have prevented this atrocity, any more than strict gun control laws in France stopped the atrocity at Bataclan nightclub in Paris. If you're psychopathic, evil and motivated enough, you'll find a way, even if it's a van filled with fertilizer.



  • ISIS is trying super-duper extra-hard to convince us that he's was one of their guys.

    That's ridiculous.

    Or is it...?



  • I'd have to listen to the footage again, but that sounded like a semi-auto to me.

    Unfortunately most people don't know the sound of rounds coming at them and it's a shit way to find out once the panic in a large crowd starts.

    ISIS are having a lend.


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