Should the Crusaders change their name?



  • @Stargazer said in Crusaders name/branding:

    @antipodean said in Crusaders name/branding:

    I'd be astonished if the Muslim community supported such a suggestion. I have a sneaking suspicion they'd be more swayed by the outpouring of grief and support for them rather than feeling such a divisive move would be a good idea.

    I've seen Crusaders fans on social media identifying themselves as muslims and they were against a name change.

    They probably realise the name is not an attempt to actually reference the Crusades. I hope that any discussion about a name change is conducted rationally. If they are being serious about a name change, how about the Falcons? NZ's primary bird of prey



  • @canefan That's actually a good suggestion, although I never quite like the fact that you have the Chiefs and the Exeter Chiefs. You'd get the same with the Falcons and Newcastle Falcons. But yeah, the name Albatross doesn't quite cut it haha.



  • @Stargazer said in Crusaders name/branding:

    @canefan That's actually a good suggestion, although I never quite like the fact that you have the Chiefs and the Exeter Chiefs. You'd get the same with the Falcons and Newcastle Falcons. But yeah, the name Albatross doesn't quite cut it haha.

    I don't reckon most fans would associate the two. You guys are waaaayyy more famous than those birds from Newcastle πŸ˜‰



  • @canefan You guys? I don't think the Magpies are that famous. Awesome agressive bird though.



  • Personally I think the whole conversation should slow down (and ultimately the name should be kept)

    However there seems to be a push for this to happen judging from the number of editorials every day since Sunday

    Has anyone seen an editorial that is pro keeping the name?



  • @Stargazer said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:

    @canefan You guys? I don't think the Magpies are that famous. Awesome agressive bird though, although not a native bird.

    As in the storied rugby franchise based in Christchurch



  • @Duluth said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:

    Personally I think the whole conversation should slow down (and ultimately the name should be kept)

    However there seems to be a push for this to happen judging from the number of editorials every day since Sunday

    Has anyone seen an editorial that is pro keeping the name?

    I think if the franchise decides to then fine. They should feel no pressure to do so and perhaps the entire community is happy with it as is



  • @canefan said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:

    @Stargazer said in Crusaders name/branding:

    @antipodean said in Crusaders name/branding:

    I'd be astonished if the Muslim community supported such a suggestion. I have a sneaking suspicion they'd be more swayed by the outpouring of grief and support for them rather than feeling such a divisive move would be a good idea.

    I've seen Crusaders fans on social media identifying themselves as muslims and they were against a name change.

    They probably realise the name is not an attempt to actually reference the Crusades. I hope that any discussion about a name change is conducted rationally. If they are being serious about a name change, how about the Falcons? NZ's primary bird of prey

    As a bird nerd I like the Falcons. You could also look at the Canterbury Wrybills, an endemic shorebird that is the only bird in the world whose bill bends to the right πŸ™‚



  • @Duluth I think I've seen one (but can't remember where). This media campaign is annoying the hell out of me. Whether they change the name or not, last Friday's terrorist attack should not be the cause or the reason for a change, and that's exactly what the media seem to be pushing for.

    (I actually thought it was a good thing in the Crusaders' media release that they said they'd consider it (they were already thinking about it anyway), but at a more appropriate time.)



  • @chimoaus said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:

    @canefan said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:

    @Stargazer said in Crusaders name/branding:

    @antipodean said in Crusaders name/branding:

    I'd be astonished if the Muslim community supported such a suggestion. I have a sneaking suspicion they'd be more swayed by the outpouring of grief and support for them rather than feeling such a divisive move would be a good idea.

    I've seen Crusaders fans on social media identifying themselves as muslims and they were against a name change.

    They probably realise the name is not an attempt to actually reference the Crusades. I hope that any discussion about a name change is conducted rationally. If they are being serious about a name change, how about the Falcons? NZ's primary bird of prey

    As a bird nerd I like the Falcons. You could also look at the Canterbury Wrybills, an endemic shorebird that is the only bird in the world whose bill bends to the right πŸ™‚

    Kea? Kakapo?

    Fark it, the Moa ... a shoo in for beer sponsorship too



  • @nzzp said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:

    @chimoaus said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:

    @canefan said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:

    @Stargazer said in Crusaders name/branding:

    @antipodean said in Crusaders name/branding:

    I'd be astonished if the Muslim community supported such a suggestion. I have a sneaking suspicion they'd be more swayed by the outpouring of grief and support for them rather than feeling such a divisive move would be a good idea.

    I've seen Crusaders fans on social media identifying themselves as muslims and they were against a name change.

    They probably realise the name is not an attempt to actually reference the Crusades. I hope that any discussion about a name change is conducted rationally. If they are being serious about a name change, how about the Falcons? NZ's primary bird of prey

    As a bird nerd I like the Falcons. You could also look at the Canterbury Wrybills, an endemic shorebird that is the only bird in the world whose bill bends to the right πŸ™‚

    Kea? Kakapo?

    Fark it, the Moa ... a shoo in for beer sponsorship too

    Falcons = top of the food chain. It's apt



  • @Stargazer said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:

    This media campaign is annoying the hell out of me

    I don't think its the right time to be discussing it and bad decisions get made when you rush

    However there is momentum for the name change. So those that want the name to stay probably need to raise their voices soon



  • @nzzp said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:

    @chimoaus said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:

    @canefan said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:

    @Stargazer said in Crusaders name/branding:

    @antipodean said in Crusaders name/branding:

    I'd be astonished if the Muslim community supported such a suggestion. I have a sneaking suspicion they'd be more swayed by the outpouring of grief and support for them rather than feeling such a divisive move would be a good idea.

    I've seen Crusaders fans on social media identifying themselves as muslims and they were against a name change.

    They probably realise the name is not an attempt to actually reference the Crusades. I hope that any discussion about a name change is conducted rationally. If they are being serious about a name change, how about the Falcons? NZ's primary bird of prey

    As a bird nerd I like the Falcons. You could also look at the Canterbury Wrybills, an endemic shorebird that is the only bird in the world whose bill bends to the right πŸ™‚

    Kea? Kakapo?

    Fark it, the Moa ... a shoo in for beer sponsorship too

    Not the Canterbury Kakas?



  • Maybe s bit pedantic, but I’m a third option. No opinion, but support the Crusaders in their decision.

    Felt horrible writing support the crusaders.



  • @MajorRage said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:

    Maybe s bit pedantic, but I’m a third option. No opinion, but support the Crusaders in their decision.

    Felt horrible writing support the crusaders.

    Halfway there MR. Now denounce all other super rugby teams and you will be anointed Captain of the Crusade



  • @ACT-Crusader said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:

    @MajorRage said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:

    Maybe s bit pedantic, but I’m a third option. No opinion, but support the Crusaders in their decision.

    Felt horrible writing support the crusaders.

    Halfway there MR. Now denounce all other super rugby teams and you will be anointed Captain of the Crusade

    I feel you've got to the nub of the matter - we'd all be better off if the word Crusade and any derivative was banished from the lexicon.



  • I think they should change the name. The crusades were a ghastly period in European/middle East history. The term is offensive and should not be glorified by using it in a team.

    I have thought that for a while, but given what happened I am now convinced the name should go. Am I really the only one here who thinks this?



  • I've voted no, but if the wider Christchurch and rugby community want to do so, I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's their team.



  • Offensive to who? What right minded Muslim is offended by a reference to events from 800 years ago?

    What happened last week was awful, and it seems to me that people what to do something, anything, to make it right.

    But this smacks of choosing low hanging fruit. Changing a rugby team’s name will make no difference to how muslims are treated in this country, and I would guess it would make no difference to how welcome they feel.

    Peoples actions do that. And the outpouring of shared grief and public displays of support are a much better start of showing tolerance and understanding than something that is little more than virtue signalling IMO.



  • I think this change is as good as certain. I saw an interview with Read, Robertson and Whitelock and it just seems obvious.

    No one is willing to make the argument that Kirwan just posted in the current climate, nor do I blame them.

    It's a sad state of affairs.


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