Censorship and the Mosque Shooting
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@Rembrandt said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Paekakboyz said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Siam I think the primary threat it a dumbass copycat incident. The attack being pretty much a lone wolf incident (web/forum links aside) would indicate a low level of risk from another 'cell' or similar. Or at least as far as the info that has been shared.
If it were then it I think it would be Mosques that would be getting the security.
They are. The last time I visited on Saturday there was an armed presence outside the local mosque for their prayer session.
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I see youtube competitor 'Bitchute' is still banned by most? ISPs in Australia.
Strangely enough Telstra & Optus seem to be giving different reasons for the banning. Telstra is talking more about corporate responsibility and 'the right thing to do' ...while Optus may have accidentally revealed that the request came from the Australian Federal Police.
I have a video showing my source but not sure if that would contravene NZ censorship guidelines as it lists all the sites that the police asked to be banned.
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@No-Quarter Yet I know JP fans will remember and will be avoiding whitcoulls henceforth
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@Kirwan said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
Can’t even get basic facts like JP not being right wing accurate. Five minutes of research will have him discovering that considering actual right wingers hate his guts.
I paid more attention to the idea that censoring the ideas that appealed to the gunman was a bad idea. But we all take what we want from things.....
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@Kirwan it's gone beyond a joke aye. Just total drivel.
Has JP actually sued anyone for slander/libel around the Alt right association? Feels like he's educator media, one interview at a time, that he's not alt-right, and that they actually loath him!
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@Kirwan said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
Can’t even get basic facts like JP not being right wing accurate. Five minutes of research will have him discovering that considering actual right wingers hate his guts.
I didn't really know who the guy was until all this blew up. You mean to tell me he gets his photo taken with the wrong guy and all of MSM paint him as a alt-right wing advocate?
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@canefan The idea is nice, probably something you'd hear JP say himself. But as others have said the way this jOuRNaliSt has no issue making incredibly slandourous statements without research is just typical of NZ media. I'm sure he'll be corrected in the comments...unless
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@canefan Oh god no. But most western countries have semi mainstream media outlets which present some semblance of reality that goes against the regressive narrative. NZ doesn't seem to. It's either cancer or aids, you can pick one or both.
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@Rembrandt said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@canefan Oh god no. But most western countries have semi mainstream media outlets which present some semblance of reality that goes against the regressive narrative. NZ doesn't seem to. It's either cancer or aids, you can pick one or both.
Then there are others that get their news via FB and Twitter. Everyone can take what they need to reinforce their own ideas. It's a funny old world we live in now. Mutual respect and understanding is getting harder to find
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@canefan said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Rembrandt said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@canefan Oh god no. But most western countries have semi mainstream media outlets which present some semblance of reality that goes against the regressive narrative. NZ doesn't seem to. It's either cancer or aids, you can pick one or both.
Then there are others that get their news via FB and Twitter. Everyone can take what they need to reinforce their own ideas. It's a funny old world we live in now. Mutual respect and understanding is getting harder to find
Yeah, social media is really bad for that. If you follow one person, you'll be suggested to follow others like them. Can pretty quickly build a solid echo chamber where all you read is opinions that reinforce your own ideas.
On the article, it's actually not bad apart from the smear on Peterson. You can't ban evil, and attempting to do so will only further embolden people like this. Hitler was banned from speaking at public events before he rose to prominence, and it just fed into his victimhood narrative (the ONLY man in Germany that is not allowed to speak!).
If you ban people's right to speech then all they have left is violence. We can't drive these ideas underground and then be surprised when violence ensues. The author of the article is right, we need to have actual discussions and debates with people that hold views like this. That's the only way to move forward.
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@canefan said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Rembrandt said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@canefan Oh god no. But most western countries have semi mainstream media outlets which present some semblance of reality that goes against the regressive narrative. NZ doesn't seem to. It's either cancer or aids, you can pick one or both.
Then there are others that get their news via FB and Twitter. Everyone can take what they need to reinforce their own ideas. It's a funny old world we live in now. Mutual respect and understanding is getting harder to find
That's true but I do have a little bit of hope, it's also never been easier to get another point of view on a subject if someone is willing. The more a typical person (not a zealot) becomes aware of the mistruths of particular organisations, institutions and individuals the less likely they will rely on them in the future. The only thing stopping that natural process is the censorship of sources that are telling truth.
Just looking at the msnbc ratings after the Mueller report, they are getting absolutely savaged. People are generally truth seekers and don't like being lied to.
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@No-Quarter I worry about the universal truth that if you take away someone's voice, they only have fists to express themselves.
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Oh good, I can't possibly see a downside here. I'm sure feelings of resentment and victimisation will just disappear when directed to an organisation approved by tech overlords.
No doubt facebook will be consistent in its approach and will take the same view toward other ethnicities. Dalai Lama and most of South African's ANC and EEF to lose their facebook privileges I'm sure.
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@Rembrandt Stuff has introduced a bunch of new rules around comments, with stricter rules around what people can say and also deciding they won't open comments to a pretty long list of topics. They've also removed the ability to upvote/downvote.
I really don't think websites banning debate on particular topics is the right way to go about this.
Edit:
topics that are now off limits:
1080
allegations of criminality or misconduct
animal cruelty
beneficiaries
Christchurch mosque shootings of March 2019
court cases
domestic violence
fluoride
funerals
immigrants or refugees
Israel and Palestine
Kashmir
missing people
race
sexual orientation
suicide
Treaty of Waitangi
transgender issues
vaccination
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@No-Quarter Its frustrating. But I guess our reality. Tech giants have huge influence on the world but are hardly qualified in using that influence in a responsible manner. If they want to go the 'ban' route then at the very least apply it regardless of race.