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@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
No, though I think the opposition might.
If you stopped letting weirdos into suburban rugby there'd barely be a competition left.
...any comment
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It's such gutter journalism though isn't it? Splash his sermon all over the news so that as many people, gay people included, hear all about it. If it's so offensive surely they wouldn't want to spread it far and wide? They don't give a crap about what it does to young gay people, all they care about is the revenue the outrage will generate from the stories.
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@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's such gutter journalism though isn't it? Splash his sermon all over the news so that as many people, gay people included, hear all about it. If it's so offensive surely they wouldn't want to spread it far and wide? They don't give a crap about what it does to young gay people, all they care about is the revenue the outrage will generate from the stories.
Gervais' guitar lessons bit is rather apt I reckon
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@Crucial said in The Folau Factor:
@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
No, though I think the opposition might.
If you stopped letting weirdos into suburban rugby there'd barely be a competition left.
...any comment
He.... Has a point...
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@No-Quarter yeah I still don't get how it's horribly offensive. Surely you just don't go to his services or deliberately seek out his sermon on the Facebook page if you're not a fan. He's just a crazy preacher.
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@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It speaks to their incompetence that they offered him the massive contract when he first spouted this stuff and didn't back down. RA is pretty good at digging themselves into holes.
Well, jumping in my time machine and rewinding about 12 months...
Castle: "... therefore, we've decided not to pursue a contract with Israel Folau, based on that anti-gay social media comment he made once, and promised to never do again."
Australian Rugby fans:
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@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It speaks to their incompetence that they offered him the massive contract when he first spouted this stuff and didn't back down. RA is pretty good at digging themselves into holes.
Well, jumping in my time machine and rewinding about 12 months...
Castle: "... therefore, we've decided not to pursue a contract with Israel Folau, based on that anti-gay social media comment he made once, and promised to never do again."
Australian Rugby fans:
They offered him a massive contract and made him their poster boy. If they were smart they would have made a far smaller offer following his comments, and if he chose not to take it then it's on him. That's an easier sell to fans - particularly in the context of what Folau says about wealth.
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@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It speaks to their incompetence that they offered him the massive contract when he first spouted this stuff and didn't back down. RA is pretty good at digging themselves into holes.
Well, jumping in my time machine and rewinding about 12 months...
Castle: "... therefore, we've decided not to pursue a contract with Israel Folau, based on that anti-gay social media comment he made once, and promised to never do again."
Australian Rugby fans:
They offered him a massive contract and made him their poster boy. If they were smart they would have made a far smaller offer following his comments, and if he chose not to take it then it's on him. That's an easier sell to fans - particularly in the context of what Folau says about wealth.
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Castle: "... Israel has refused the offer we made him to stay with rugby. We wish him all the best an-"
Australian Rugby Fans: "HE'S OUR BEST PLAYER! OFFER HIM MORE YOU STUPID GOTH!"See how this plays out?
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@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It speaks to their incompetence that they offered him the massive contract when he first spouted this stuff and didn't back down. RA is pretty good at digging themselves into holes.
Well, jumping in my time machine and rewinding about 12 months...
Castle: "... therefore, we've decided not to pursue a contract with Israel Folau, based on that anti-gay social media comment he made once, and promised to never do again."
Australian Rugby fans:
They offered him a massive contract and made him their poster boy. If they were smart they would have made a far smaller offer following his comments, and if he chose not to take it then it's on him. That's an easier sell to fans - particularly in the context of what Folau says about wealth.
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Castle: "... Israel has refused the offer we made him to stay with rugby. We wish him all the best an-"
Australian Rugby Fans: "HE'S OUR BEST PLAYER! OFFER HIM MORE YOU STUPID GOTH!"See how this plays out?
You really think Folau rejecting a contract would generate the same level of outrage? Especially after the criticism RA got giving players like Genia and Giteau such massive contracts at the expense of everything else?
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@No-Quarter yes. That is exactly what I think.
Understand that for every one person applauding RA for sacking the idiot, there is another saying it's nothing to do with Rugby or that it is free speech and therefore oppression of his religion etc.
He threw a shit grenade, and everyone got coated.
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@NTA OK, I disagree. They didn't even have to talk about his previous comments. Just when they went into the contract re-negotiation don't offer him half as much, and don't make him the poster boy for RA. Him complaining about not being offered enough wouldn't go down particularly well with a lot of people.
Sacking him for his social media posts without following due process is what generated the outrage not just in Australia but around the world.
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@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
He threw a shit grenade, and everyone got coated.
I do agree with this part
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@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter yes. That is exactly what I think.
He threw a shit grenade, and everyone got coated.
Not everyone got coated. Only those who willingly ran towards said shit grenade, bent down and picked it up
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SImpsons have somethign for every situation...
this right here, is all people need to do about Foolauw
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You know? I could excuse the earlier stuff where he said gays were going to hell. Not that they should or deserve to go to hell, just that, in his opinion, based on his belief in the words in the bible, that they were.
I could forgive ( ) him for that.
This is next level though, and to my mind suggests he's gone beyond a belief in a Christianity and fallen to some sort of militant "fundamentalism". I'm not sure that is the right word as I'm not sure these beliefs are fundamental to Christianity.
Izzy: when you're in a hole, stop digging.
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@NTA said in Aussie Bush Fires:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Bush Fires:
@chimoaus said in Aussie Bush Fires:
476 Homes lost in NSW and Perth has its hottest November day ever since records began in 1897.
Heat wave Tuesday this week too.
It's a message from God according to Brother Israel
Israel Folau links bushfire crisis to same-sex marriage and abortion
Sacked rugby union star Israel Folau has linked the NSW bushfire crisis and drought to legalising same-sex marriage and abortion, warning the disasters are a "little taste of God's judgment".
Speaking at his church in north-west Sydney, Folau said his remarks were a "message mainly for the people that are outside [the church], within the world". The video footage was posted online on Sunday.
"I've been looking around the events that's been happening in Australia the last couple of weeks, all the natural disasters, the bushfires, the droughts, all these things that are currently happening," Folau said.
"I'm doing this all out of love, for people to hear this message and hopefully be able to receive it with open hearts and they may come to know the truth of [God's] word."
The footage of Folau preaching to the congregation at his church was posted to the Facebook page for The Truth of Jesus Christ Church Sydney in Kenthurst as more than 50 fires burned across NSW.
Six people have died and 476 homes have been destroyed in fires throughout the state since the start of this year's bushfire season.
Folau said: "God's word says for a man and a woman to be together, one man and one woman in the covenant of marriage.
"The world, I'm speaking to Australia right now, they've come and changed this law. They've changed that law and now they've legalised same-sex marriage."
He also said of abortion, which was decriminalised in NSW in October, that "in the eyes of God it's evil, in society today it's good".
"Look how rapid, these bushfires, these droughts, all these things have come, in a short period of time. You think it's a coincidence or not? God is speaking to you guys, Australia, you need to repent.
"What you see right now in the world is only a little taste of God's judgment that's coming, it's not even a big thing."
Folau said the natural disasters were "no coincidence" and the solution was for people to "turn from their wicked ways".
Rugby Australia sacked Folau after he wrote a post on Instagram saying drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolators would go to hell unless they repented.
Folau is suing Rugby Australia for unlawfully terminating his contract because of his Christian beliefs. Australian rugby officials maintain that Folau breached a players' code of conduct.
In October, Folau said he knew before his social media post warning that homosexuals and other sinners would go to hell that the remarks would be "offensive" but he would "absolutely" do it again.
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@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's such gutter journalism though isn't it? Splash his sermon all over the news so that as many people, gay people included, hear all about it. If it's so offensive surely they wouldn't want to spread it far and wide? They don't give a crap about what it does to young gay people, all they care about is the revenue the outrage will generate from the stories.
I'm no great fan of the media, but I dispute the idea they shouldn't report on this because it's offensive.
I'd see your point if he was merely preaching scripture (gays go to hell, etc etc), but this stuff is beyond the pale and in a time where he is suing RA for religious discrimination AND we've just had historically bad bushfires then I'd argue this is 100% newsworthy.
And it's not even like someone was asking him leading questions, baiting him into a response, or snuck into his church with a hidden recorder. He put it on Facebook! It's in the public domain.
So to me it isn't close to 'gutter journalism' at all.
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@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
It's such gutter journalism though isn't it? Splash his sermon all over the news so that as many people, gay people included, hear all about it. If it's so offensive surely they wouldn't want to spread it far and wide? They don't give a crap about what it does to young gay people, all they care about is the revenue the outrage will generate from the stories.
I'm no great fan of the media, but I dispute the idea they shouldn't report on this because it's offensive.
I'd see your point if he was merely preaching scripture (gays go to hell, etc etc), but this stuff is beyond the pale and in a time where he is suing RA for religious discrimination AND we've just had historically bad bushfires then I'd argue this is 100% newsworthy.
And it's not even like someone was asking him leading questions, baiting him into a response, or snuck into his church with a hidden recorder. He put it on Facebook! It's in the public domain.
So to me it isn't close to 'gutter journalism' at all.
Did Folau post it on Facebook? Or did his Church post it to their own page where they post many of their sermons? And if so, do you think it's worth media outlets seeking out a fundamentalist Church's sermons to splash them all over the news?
Plenty of potentially offensive shit gets spouted in Churches and Mosques right across Australia. If we seek them out then I'm sure we can find all sorts of stuff to get offended by.
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It's not just a sermon from a 'fundamentalist church' though. It's a sermon in a fundamentalist church from one of Australia's most prominent sportsmen. The very same sportsman who is currently engaged in a very public legal dispute over the issue of religious discrimination, funded in part by a crowdfunding campaign.
While I agree that these churches would spout this sort of stuff fairly regularly, the fact that it's Folau who is doing it makes it far more newsworthy than all of the other ones.
Sports requiring athletes to support cultural positions