Ashes 2019



  • Nice to get the job done. I reckon if England got away with the draw we'd struggle to back up in the 5th test.

    The decision to bowl Marnus was a beauty from Paine.



  • @Donsteppa said in Ashes 2019:

    @Snowy 2001 when S Waugh was still captain

    Right, odd number years of course, when held in England.

    Ansett actually folded 2002 but doesn't change the fact - bloody long time ago.



  • @Snowy said in Ashes 2019:

    @Donsteppa said in Ashes 2019:

    @Snowy 2001 when S Waugh was still captain

    Right, odd number years of course, when held in England.

    Ansett actually folded 2002 but doesn't change the fact - bloody long time ago.

    September 2001? I always remember a One news bulletin where the first half hour was only two stories; 9/11 and the Air NZ/Ansett debacle unfolding.... fun times! Helen Clark having to fly home on an air force plane because of angry ground workers in Melbourne... (Edit: looks like they did indeed briefly rise from the ashes a month later, then Ansett Mark II finally fell to bits in March '02)

    2005 saw lots of news stories of 16 year old keen Aussie cricketers in shock that the Baggy Green had lost the Ashes for the first time in their lifetime. Been mostly to and fro since...



  • @Donsteppa said in Ashes 2019:

    Edit: looks like they did indeed briefly rise from the ashes a month later, then Ansett Mark II finally fell to bits in March '02

    Yeah it was a token gesture I think. Can't remember all of the facts, just I had a load of ex Ansett guys flying with me in 2002.

    As for the Ashes - a large yellow band there in that era for sure.

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    I'd like to see one of those for the Bledisloe.



  • @barbarian said in Ashes 2019:

    Nice to get the job done. I reckon if England got away with the draw we'd struggle to back up in the 5th test.

    The decision to bowl Marnus was a beauty from Paine.

    Agreed. I would have been very nervous heading into a decider.

    The fact that it took until the last hour is a measure of the pitch and the lack of menace from Lyon. Not his best series after being given fairly friendly conditions.



  • So it transpires that Australia can in fact win tests without resorting to boorish, aggressive, head-butting-the-line on-field behaviour. Who knew?

    Well done to Tim Paine et al.

    Smith obviously a big factor in the performances, but Cummins and Hazelwood have been outstanding too imo.



  • @Billy-Webb The BBC did a resume of why England failed to regain the urn and they cited Smith, batting collapses, the weather, too much attention to one day cricket but ended up saying that at the moment Australia are just a better team.

    Hard to argue.



  • My concern going into the series was our bowlers getting out-Duked. Broad is still bowling bloody well - to left-handers - but when Anderson broke, and Smith started grinding the others into the deck, just plain discipline helped us win the vital sessions.

    I am still mindful of the loss from having bowled England out for 67... that makes me shake my head given we had easy opportunities to take it.



  • @NTA said in Ashes 2019:

    My concern going into the series was our bowlers getting out-Duked. Broad is still bowling bloody well - to left-handers - but when Anderson broke, and Smith started grinding the others into the deck, just plain discipline helped us win the vital sessions.

    I am still mindful of the loss from having bowled England out for 67... that makes me shake my head given we had easy opportunities to take it.

    Test match mentality.

    Edit: Warner "That's the way I play" aside.



  • @NTA The loss of Anderson was a big blow to England. Whether he would've troubled Smith more than the others have we will never know, but England have missed having him available. As you say, Broad has really stepped it up and Archer has been good at moments. An attack of those two, plus Anderson... but woulda shoulda.

    For my money, Paine benefited immensely from having a reliable pair like Cummins and Hazelwood at his disposal. While Lyon and Starc and Siddle could blow hot and cold, he had 2 guys to turn to who I can't recall having one poor spell.



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    I think this is right.



  • @Chris-B Nice.

    I was just going to do a black line. It does show the bad patch we had late 90s.

    I don't recall such a thing in the late 70s though. Probably just blanked it out, I was young and trauma isn't good for young folk.



  • @Billy-Webb You'd always want Anderson in English conditions although I don't think they would have been the ideal pitches for him. And at 37, he surely can't go on much longer.

    Amazingly, Hazelwood wasn't even picked for the 1st test which seems bizarre looking back. English batsmen have got better at playing Lyon and with only 2 left-handers in their top order, he is not as effective - not to mention Moeen being dropped meant 2 fewer wickets per match for Nathan.

    On Roy, all the English pundits were convinced that he should be given a go for the Ashes despite being a notable flat track bully who looks all at sea against the moving ball. I'm not sure what they will do with him - especially if he makes some runs at the Oval.



  • @Snowy Australia won in 1979 and 1980 and it wasn't contested in 1981.

    I recall some of that tour to Australia - we played Sydney first up and they had pretty much the NSW team and most of the Australian team and declared themselves favourites. Ended up a draw so it wasn't an outrageous claim.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bledisloe_Cup



  • @KiwiPie said in Ashes 2019:

    On Roy, all the English pundits were convinced that he should be given a go for the Ashes despite being a notable flat track bully who looks all at sea against the moving ball.

    He could make the simplest adjustment to his technique and avoid that issue tho - the fucking gate he leaves for the seaming in-ducker is criminal.



  • @Chris-B said in Ashes 2019:

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    I think this is right.

    Reported for moderation.



  • @NTA said in Ashes 2019:

    @KiwiPie said in Ashes 2019:

    On Roy, all the English pundits were convinced that he should be given a go for the Ashes despite being a notable flat track bully who looks all at sea against the moving ball.

    He could make the simplest adjustment to his technique and avoid that issue tho - the fucking gate he leaves for the seaming in-ducker is criminal.

    He seems to have concrete in his boots. From that firm base, he jabs hard at the ball to defend it. Very strange.



  • @Billy-Webb said in Ashes 2019:

    So it transpires that Australia can in fact win tests without resorting to boorish, aggressive, head-butting-the-line on-field behaviour. Who knew?

    Well done to Tim Paine et al.

    Maybe not.

    They were on the pitch too.



  • @Snowy Good on them - looks like they had a lot of (mostly) good natured fun, enjoyed a huge moment for the first time since '01, and fired a few shots back at the English crowd who've been at them for months.

    After the English taking a slash outside off-stump on the pitch at the Oval that time, The Sun is in a glass house as usual.



  • Can anyone show me an example of a classy boozy team celebration?



  • Ha! Eat 50 shades of dick newspaper clowns. You probably didn't say shit when your chav crowd booed everything Smith did, or criticise the umpires when your team stole a CWC. Now you want to take the moral high ground?

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: Boo that you fluffybunnies!



  • @Donsteppa Yeah I don't have a problem with it, they just won the ashes they are allowed to party.



  • @KiwiPie said in Ashes 2019:

    Can anyone show me an example of a classy boozy team celebration?

    Would anyone want one?

    You've won in trying circumstances. Doing dumb shit and waking up wishing you were dead is all part of the...fun...



  • @Donsteppa said in Ashes 2019:

    @Snowy Good on them - looks like they had a lot of (mostly) good natured fun, enjoyed a huge moment for the first time since '01, and fired a few shots back at the English crowd who've been at them for months.

    After the English taking a slash outside off-stump on the pitch at the Oval that time, The Sun is in a glass house as usual.

    I think the media forget how the aussie team used to act DURING the games. They won, they deserve to enjoy the spoils.



  • Classic test match on Fox Sports. Fuck Daryl Hair was a blatant cheat.



  • @mariner4life said in Ashes 2019:

    Classic test match on Fox Sports. Fuck Daryl Hair was a blatant cheat.

    His umpiring is one of the key reasons why I am so strongly in favour of DRS.



  • His wikipedia page just reads of controversy after controversy.

    Although I've always backed him for no-balling Muralitharan.



  • After watching Malinga the other night, I personally think they only teach them how to chuck them in Sri Lanka.



  • Looks like Warner survives in the team list, I wonder if this run will extend tonight:

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  • Anyone told nick the Aussie about Travis Head's replacement in the 11?....😏



  • @Siam said in Ashes 2019:

    Anyone told nick the Aussie about Travis Head's replacement in the 11?....😏

    He's still passed out on the floor



  • If the answer was Mitchell Marsh, I wonder what the question was.

    Faced with a choice between the 2, I'd shout "Give me Head" every time ....



  • @KiwiPie said in Ashes 2019:

    If the answer was Mitchell Marsh, I wonder what the question was.

    Faced with a choice between the 2, I'd shout "Give me Head" every time ....

    Must. Not. Succumb.



  • @Hooroo said in Ashes 2019:

    @Siam said in Ashes 2019:

    Anyone told nick the Aussie about Travis Head's replacement in the 11?....😏

    He's still passed out on the floor

    There are no words



  • That was really poor from Denly



  • Both sides have had crappy opening partnerships

    Skimming through the scorecards this appears to be Englands best opening stand of the series

    22
    19
    0
    9
    10
    15
    10
    0
    27

    Root might as well be opening



  • @Duluth believe that was the best opening partnership for either side this series?



  • @NTA said in Ashes 2019:

    @Duluth believe that was the best opening partnership for either side this series?

    Wow.. that's terrible

    As bad as some of the batting has been, Broad has had a great series. I thought he bowled an incredible spell for no reward when Smith was getting his double



  • @KiwiPie said in Ashes 2019:

    If the answer was Mitchell Marsh, I wonder what the question was.

    In my best Oprah voice, “Everyone gets an Ashes”



  • Siddle and Marsh scything through the English top order after winning the toss...


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