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@barbarian said in US Politics:
Yeah exactly. And Biden isn't really the man to fix any of these problems. His choice of VP will be fascinating though. There will be a real push for him to pick someone young, black/hispanic, and in touch with whatever movement this is.
But given his age (and his fragile mental state), the choice of VP will take on far greater importance. There will also be a temptation to have a older, safe hand in there who could take the reigns if something happened to old Joe.
Hasn't he already committed to a woman VP?
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@barbarian said in US Politics:
This kind of sums up some of the problem. James Woods (the actor) has gone off the deep end a bit in recent years, but has big support from the right-wing MAGA crowd on Twitter. This was what he put up today:
What sort of twisted mindset do you have to have to look at these protests and say 'Obama and Hillary are to blame for this'!?!?
It's the response of someone who isn't well mentally.
Well James Woods isn't well mentally.
For all the partisan ranting, this is a bipartisan policy outcome. Both parties have consciously worked towards the disenfranchisement of the middle class.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@barbarian said in US Politics:
This kind of sums up some of the problem. James Woods (the actor) has gone off the deep end a bit in recent years, but has big support from the right-wing MAGA crowd on Twitter. This was what he put up today:
What sort of twisted mindset do you have to have to look at these protests and say 'Obama and Hillary are to blame for this'!?!?
It's the response of someone who isn't well mentally.
Well James Woods isn't well mentally.
For all the partisan ranting, this is a bipartisan policy outcome. Both parties have consciously worked towards the disenfranchisement of the middle class.
This. Both parties strive to see people as part of seperate groups, and turn those groups on each other.
Be it race, sexual orientation, views on guns or abortion, whatever.
Democrats think Republicans are evil, Rebublicans think Democrats are immoral and want to destroy the country. So when horrible things happen like what this cop did, it's like lighting a flame on a powder keg.
Nobody on either side of the political divides is trying to unite, it's all attack for their own advantage. It's a mess.
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@barbarian said in US Politics:
This kind of sums up some of the problem. James Woods (the actor) has gone off the deep end a bit in recent years, but has big support from the right-wing MAGA crowd on Twitter. This was what he put up today:
What sort of twisted mindset do you have to have to look at these protests and say 'Obama and Hillary are to blame for this'!?!?
It's the response of someone who isn't well mentally.
He didn't say they were to blame for this.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@barbarian said in US Politics:
This kind of sums up some of the problem. James Woods (the actor) has gone off the deep end a bit in recent years, but has big support from the right-wing MAGA crowd on Twitter. This was what he put up today:
What sort of twisted mindset do you have to have to look at these protests and say 'Obama and Hillary are to blame for this'!?!?
It's the response of someone who isn't well mentally.
He didn't say they were to blame for this.
Bullshit, that's exactly what he meant by that post. He's part of the problem (as was Obama).
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@Kirwan said in US Politics:
This. Both parties strive to see people as part of seperate groups, and turn those groups on each other.
Be it race, sexual orientation, views on guns or abortion, whatever.
Democrats think Republicans are evil, Rebublicans think Democrats are immoral and want to destroy the country. So when horrible things happen like what this cop did, it's like lighting a flame on a powder keg.
Nobody on either side of the political divides is trying to unite, it's all attack for their own advantage. It's a mess.Or perhaps the divide is with the people themselves?
One group is happy with liberal immigration, outsourcing, chinese imports, etc, and thinks being socially progressive makes them good people. They struggle to understand how anyone could disagree with policies & beliefs that are obviously moral and right. Say, 30% of the population, quite wealthy, pretty much insulated from the effects of the policies they espouse.
The other group sees too much immigration, cheap imports and economic policy as a threat to their prospects, have seen declining prosperity and who feel left behind and taken for granted. They are far more motivated by economic need than "social justice" and resent being labelled somehow morally inferior for thinking this. Say 30% who feel pretty powerless and ignored.
The first group isn't going to give up their position of power and moral beliefs without a fight and the latter group aren't going to go away. The US needs serious leaders who want to unify people, but when you look at the political "giants" of the last ten years, the likes of Obama, Trump, Biden and Pelosi come to mind. That pretty much says it all.
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@Victor-Meldrew Yeah, the guy's got an hour long video on youtube of doing this stuff.
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@Tim said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew Yeah, the guy's got an hour long video on youtube of doing this stuff.
Holy crap.
It feel like the US is in some "Social Justice" bubble and has lost all rationality, not unlike a financial bubble.
Will it go "boom!" sometime?
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@Kirwan said in US Politics:
This. Both parties strive to see people as part of seperate groups, and turn those groups on each other.
Be it race, sexual orientation, views on guns or abortion, whatever.
Democrats think Republicans are evil, Rebublicans think Democrats are immoral and want to destroy the country. So when horrible things happen like what this cop did, it's like lighting a flame on a powder keg.
Nobody on either side of the political divides is trying to unite, it's all attack for their own advantage. It's a mess.
Yes, totally agree. It's worrying the way this is going in other parts of the world too. Here it's not as bad as the US, but we would be in top 5 for sure. Germany perhaps worse (although you can't read about it), Hong Kong certainly as well at the moment (although less political there, as in any dictatorship).
Im not sure of the US resolution. The thing is, that before Covid and now this, I would have argued to anybody that Trump was doing a great job - for Americans. Now, I'm not so sure. I do understand his thought process, but sometimes it's not about the message, its' about how you deliver it.
You start looting, we start shooting ain't ever the right tactic.
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@MajorRage said in US Politics:
You start looting, we start shooting ain't ever the right tactic.
It was
when the looting starts, the shooting starts
Trump said he meant this as a factual statement. (he clarified the next day)
That is when looting starts shooting follows. Either by the looters or others.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@MajorRage said in US Politics:
You start looting, we start shooting ain't ever the right tactic.
It was
when the looting starts, the shooting starts
Trump said he meant this as a factual statement. (he clarified the next day)
That is when looting starts shooting follows. Either by the looters or others.
You can’t honestly tell me you believe that.
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In 1967, Miami police Chief Walter Headley used the phrase "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" during hearings about crime in the Florida city, invoking angry reactions from civil rights leaders, according to a news report at the time.
More complexity around this quote but still up to interpretation
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