All Blacks 2025
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Would you call 28 young? I like Perofeta, but he isn’t the solution either.
I'm not sure we've ever had the chance to find out.
This is this dumb circular argument. If you think Perofeta could be the answer at 10 for the ABs, have I got things to sell to you.
Perofeta is a great example of where selection has gone wrong in recent year. Pick a bloke, give him 5 minutes at the fag-end of a Test and judge him on that.
The counter argument would be that Perofeta wouldn’t be in the All Blacks if we had players of the level we desire
We can't simply wish up the players of the level we desire, though. We have to select the best ones and stick with developing the ones with potential (think Nonu).
We haven't done that for quite some time. Where would Sititi and Va'ii be if it weren't for forced injury selections?
Holding tackle bags with Plummer, Love and Proctor
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Would you call 28 young? I like Perofeta, but he isn’t the solution either.
I'm not sure we've ever had the chance to find out.
This is this dumb circular argument. If you think Perofeta could be the answer at 10 for the ABs, have I got things to sell to you.
Perofeta is a great example of where selection has gone wrong in recent year. Pick a bloke, give him 5 minutes at the fag-end of a Test and judge him on that.
The counter argument would be that Perofeta wouldn’t be in the All Blacks if we had players of the level we desire
We can't simply wish up the players of the level we desire, though. We have to select the best ones and stick with developing the ones with potential (think Nonu).
We haven't done that for quite some time. Where would Sititi and Va'ii be if it weren't for forced injury selections?
Holding tackle bags with Plummer, Love and Proctor
Vaa'i is a good example of spotting a talent, giving him game-time, accepting a few bad performances and the benefits of coaching continuity.
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@DMX said in All Blacks 2025:
Exactly!!! I feel like Rees and Telea just don’t have raw speed and x- factor for test level. I wish selectors would understand when it is time to move on.
At least Telea is still elusive, in a Corey Jane sort of way. His game was never about all out speed
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@canefan I really think Telea has midfield potential, so strong in the tackle and so slippery when tacklers aren't paying attention.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan I really think Telea has midfield potential, so strong in the tackle and so slippery when tacklers aren't paying attention.
Oh yeah because converting a wing into a centre has worked well for us. No thank you. How about we give our specialists a go for once.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan I really think Telea has midfield potential, so strong in the tackle and so slippery when tacklers aren't paying attention.
He probably has more of the requisite skills than Rieko....
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@DMX said in All Blacks 2025:
Exactly!!! I feel like Rees and Telea just don’t have raw speed and x- factor for test level. I wish selectors would understand when it is time to move on.
At least Telea is still elusive, in a Corey Jane sort of way. His game was never about all out speed
Yes game never about all out speed which is why I don’t want him there! Give me speed merchants!! He works hard but sometimes he is trying too hard to get his hands on the ball, like playing half back then throwing a crap pass!!
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@nostrildamus @Canes4life I actually agree with you both equally.
Whilst I would love to see it as a leftfield option I also think a good specialist needs to be there too.
Sitting on this fence is hurting my arse.....
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan I really think Telea has midfield potential, so strong in the tackle and so slippery when tacklers aren't paying attention.
Oh yeah because converting a wing into a centre has worked well for us. No thank you. How about we give our specialists a go for once.
- I know this is the AB thread but I am not saying he should be an AB 12/13.
- Tana moved to centre, seemed to do ok.
- Specialists. Don't have many quality ones that aren't injured.
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Personally I think Telea would be horrible in the midfield, unless you want a midfield which whenever they get the ball... stops, cuts inside, and runs completely as an individual.
He's very very evasive and hard to put down, which are great qualities - but a wing or nothing. -
yeah, a 28 year old career winger is absolutely someone who should be mentioned in an AB thread as a centre option...
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
For Telea to be tried at centre, it would need to be something the Blues would try, at this stage of the comp and where they are now it is akin to Havilli being tried out as a 10. The Telea from the Landers is a midfielder isn't he?
Oh let me tone it down, I think it suits his skillset more but it is late in both his career and the Blues season. I don't think it is likely this year or next.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
yeah, a 28 year old career winger is absolutely someone who should be mentioned in an AB thread as a centre option...
Did say I know this is an AB thread but didn't say he should be an AB midfielder.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus @Canes4life I actually agree with you both equally.
Whilst I would love to see it as a leftfield option I also think a good specialist needs to be there too.
Sitting on this fence is hurting my arse.....
We have limited midfield options, not sure what has been happening in Super rugby. I can name some 12s but less quality/uninjured 13s.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
For Telea to be tried at centre, it would need to be something the Blues would try, at this stage of the comp and where they are now it is akin to Havilli being tried out as a 10
Or play league. Then you would suggest him
As for Nostrildamus suggesting Telea as a centre it really is a terrible call. His skillset is wing and nothing else. Everything that he does well on the wing doesn't translate to the midfield. He does not set targets, he goes on random runs often going backwards to go forwards etc etc
