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    @Bones said in Formula 1:

    @canefan said in Formula 1:

    @Bones said in Formula 1:

    @canefan it makes zero sense they would waste all that time and money in both teams, just to set him up for failure. If true, both teams should be looking hard at a senior leadership clear out, that's amateur hour stuff for when there's not millions on the line.

    I don't know what else to say. You just do you. Like you always do. It makes no sense to me either

    Oh yeah sorry for commenting on your post when you agree with what I said. 😂

    Yeah my bad. Teaches me for cooking and posting

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    @canefan said in Formula 1:

    Whispers from the paddock....

    Decision to cancel LL was basically a fait du compli in China

    RB are making major changes to Tsunoda's car to make it more driveable. Something they never bothered to do with LLs car

    So basically our lad got shafted

    I think as soon as Honda were involved, it certainly became that. Japanese driver in the Japanese powered car for the Japan GP.

    To be fair to Red Bull, he had all of the pre season testing & they made some serious changes pre the Chinese GP hence him having to start in the pit lane. You'd have to think that LL was involved in that and if he couldn't help them make it work, then he clearly wasn't the right man for the team.

    It does seem that LL confidence was shot though, and that really is the beginning of the end. He's been given a life in Racing Bulls though, so lets see how he goes.

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    replied to MajorRage on last edited by canefan
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    @MajorRage VCARB is a chance to race a more forgiving car, that still appears to be competitive. And the external pressure is off for now

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360636352/yuki-tsunoda-claims-liam-lawsons-rb21-not-hard-drive-ahead-japanese-grand-prix

    Yuki talking smack. He better hope he can back it up

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    @canefan said in Formula 1:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360636352/yuki-tsunoda-claims-liam-lawsons-rb21-not-hard-drive-ahead-japanese-grand-prix

    Yuki talking smack. He better hope he can back it up

    Talking smack didn't help Liam, for sure

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    @Machpants said in Formula 1:

    @canefan said in Formula 1:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360636352/yuki-tsunoda-claims-liam-lawsons-rb21-not-hard-drive-ahead-japanese-grand-prix

    Yuki talking smack. He better hope he can back it up

    Talking smack didn't help Liam, for sure

    Nope

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    Max on pole. Tsunoda was 15th fastest one place behind Lawson. They both gained a position because Sainz got a penalty

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    Pretty good result all things considered for Lawson. Beat Tsunoda which was main goal but a fair bit behind his team mate.

    Race start should be spicy as you can be sure that Tsunoda will go all guns blazing to get past Lawson at first corner.

    Odds on a crash where they blame each other should be tight

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    That couldn’t have gone worse. Boring, slow and no confidence.

    Hmmm. Looking his f1 career is just a cameo ATM.

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    Not the most interesting race. Very little movement and people stuck in DRS trains. Top 6 finished in qualifying order and the top 10 was the same as qualifying just with Hadjar and Hamilton swapping

    Lawson's team went for a gamble staying out very long on the mediums.. I don't think they were betting on the softs making up the difference, they were hoping for a safety car and a cheap pit. Probably not a bad bet given the grass fires that happened the rest of the weekend

    So I guess Tsunoda has one more race to do something then Hadjar comes in 😉

    Hadjar looks very fast

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    The most exciting thing during the entire snorefest was Lando trying to push his way past Max at the exit to pit lane...

    Quali was critical, and unfortunately Liam needed to get to Q3 to push on for the points

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    @Duluth Why is Hadjar so quick? In fact, Kimi, Hadjar and Bearman are all doing very well. I think Liam might get the nickname The Emperor's New Clothes and if he cannot keep up with Hadjar I suspect his F1 career maybe very short.

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    @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

    @Duluth Why is Hadjar so quick? In fact, Kimi, Hadjar and Bearman are all doing very well. I think Liam might get the nickname The Emperor's New Clothes and if he cannot keep up with Hadjar I suspect his F1 career maybe very short.

    I think Red Bull have done Lawson a disservice. His narrative has gone from young driver with potential who filled in for Ricciardo to this kid must be the second coming of Max or he's a bust. I hope he is given a chance to get comfortable in the new car, and he has a contract for at least a year to allow him to do this

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    @canefan said in Formula 1:

    @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

    @Duluth Why is Hadjar so quick? In fact, Kimi, Hadjar and Bearman are all doing very well. I think Liam might get the nickname The Emperor's New Clothes and if he cannot keep up with Hadjar I suspect his F1 career maybe very short.

    I think Red Bull have done Lawson a disservice. His narrative has gone from young driver with potential who filled in for Ricciardo to this kid must be the second coming of Max or he's a bust. I hope he is given a chance to get comfortable in the new car, and he has a contract for at least a year to allow him to do this

    There is some truth in that I think.

    Next race he won’t have the media circus in the build up which will hopefully help him.

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    @canefan said in Formula 1:

    @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

    @Duluth Why is Hadjar so quick? In fact, Kimi, Hadjar and Bearman are all doing very well. I think Liam might get the nickname The Emperor's New Clothes and if he cannot keep up with Hadjar I suspect his F1 career maybe very short.

    I think Red Bull have done Lawson a disservice. His narrative has gone from young driver with potential who filled in for Ricciardo to this kid must be the second coming of Max or he's a bust. I hope he is given a chance to get comfortable in the new car, and he has a contract for at least a year to allow him to do this

    This is Lawsons F1 career finishes, how much more time does he need?
    13,11,9,11,17,9,16,9,16,14,17,15,16,17

    In contrast Antonelli
    4,8,6

    And even Bearman in a Haas has almost as many top 10 finishes.

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    @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

    @canefan said in Formula 1:

    @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

    @Duluth Why is Hadjar so quick? In fact, Kimi, Hadjar and Bearman are all doing very well. I think Liam might get the nickname The Emperor's New Clothes and if he cannot keep up with Hadjar I suspect his F1 career maybe very short.

    I think Red Bull have done Lawson a disservice. His narrative has gone from young driver with potential who filled in for Ricciardo to this kid must be the second coming of Max or he's a bust. I hope he is given a chance to get comfortable in the new car, and he has a contract for at least a year to allow him to do this

    This is Lawsons F1 career finishes, how much more time does he need?
    13,11,9,11,17,9,16,9,16,14,17,15,16,17

    In contrast Antonelli
    4,8,6

    And even Bearman in a Haas has almost as many top 10 finishes.

    Tsunoda has raced in F1 in the same team for 5 years.... Like all elite sports, continuity can't be underestimated. Maybe he won't be good enough to have a multi-year contract when it's all said and done. But being given a chance to have a stable situation is not too much to ask

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    @canefan Yep that is fair, it is just interesting how some drivers like Bearman, Hadjar, Antonelli have slotted in and had instant speed. I just don't think Lawson was anywhere near ready to be promoted and now his confidence is somewhat shot and once that goes you will always struggle for that extra bit of pace.

    I hope I'm wrong and he can get some pace back but you have to say this year has been Annus horribilis by any measure and given the speed of Hadjar he is up against it.

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    @chimoaus said in Formula 1:

    Yep that is fair, it is just interesting how some drivers like Bearman, Hadjar, Antonelli have slotted in and had instant speed.

    I think Lawson had that in his first stint in F1. I know that doesn't show in the raw results you posted.. however the perception at the time was that he was out performing the car

    The question is if he can get back to that.

    Because of the change of teams he has significantly less time with his car than everyone else. Qualifying 14th and out qualifying a Red Bull in those circumstances was a pass mark IMO.

    He needs to catch up with Hadjar fast though

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    replied to Duluth on last edited by chimoaus
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    @Duluth Looks like only 2 top t10 qualifying results in 14 attempts. But hopefully he has the entire season to get some consistency and hopefully results will improve. Well they kind of have to I guess.
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    replied to chimoaus on last edited by Duluth
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    @chimoaus

    Sure but that first stint was widely praised and his results were basically the ceiling of that car. That context is missing from the numbers.

    He needs to find that 2023 speed again

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