• Categories
Collapse

The Silver Fern

2025 All Blacks v France series

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Sports Talk
allblacksfrance
1.1k Posts 80 Posters 8.0k Views
2025 All Blacks v France series
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • antipodeanA Online
    antipodeanA Online
    antipodean
    replied to African Monkey last edited by antipodean
    #809

    @African-Monkey said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

    One of those times where stats don't lie AND tell the whole story........

    Blackadder could benefit from adding more muscle and strength to his frame. With his undoubted engine, that would enable him to have more impact in the collision.

    A MN5M DuluthD 3 Replies Last reply
    1
  • antipodeanA Online
    antipodeanA Online
    antipodean
    replied to Callcentre Spunk last edited by
    #810

    @Callcentre-Spunk said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    Tackle Evasion %
    34.6 Veveni Lasaqa

    Gainline %
    73.6 Veveni Lasaqa

    Dominant Carry %
    44.2 Veveni Lasaqa!

    alt text

    My impression is he doesn't do enough in the defensive side of the game.

    B M 2 Replies Last reply
    0
  • A Offline
    A Offline
    African Monkey
    replied to antipodean last edited by
    #811

    @antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @African-Monkey said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

    One of those times where stats don't lie AND tell the whole story........

    Blackadder could benefit from adding more muscle and strength to his frame. With his undoubted engine, that would enable him to have more impact in the collision.

    He's probably tried but might not be able to, especially at 30.

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • B Online
    B Online
    brodean
    replied to antipodean last edited by brodean
    #812

    @antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    My impression is he doesn't do enough in the defensive side of the game.

    Lasaqa doesn't hit enough rucks for a 7 and is ineffective:

    Rucks Per 80 Minutes
    35.34 Dalton Papali'i
    32.44 Tom Christie
    31.48 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    29.13 Jahrome Brown
    28.53 Ardie Savea
    26.84 Luke Jacobson
    26.31 Kaylum Boshier
    20.92 Veveni Lasaqa

    Attacking Ruck Effectiveness
    89.9 Dalton Papali'i
    89.6 Tom Christie
    87.6 Jahrome Brown
    86.3 Ardie Savea
    85.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    84.9 Luke Jacobson
    76.5 Veveni Lasaqa
    76.1 Kaylum Boshier

    Defensive Ruck Effectiveness
    23.5 Kaylum Boshier
    23.2 Luke Jacobson
    21.5 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    20.5 Ardie Savea
    15.2 Jahrome Brown
    14.5 Dalton Papali'i
    13.8 Tom Christie
    12.1 Veveni Lasaqa

    S 1 Reply Last reply
    2
  • MN5M Offline
    MN5M Offline
    MN5
    replied to antipodean last edited by
    #813

    @antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @African-Monkey said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

    One of those times where stats don't lie AND tell the whole story........

    Blackadder could benefit from adding more muscle and strength to his frame. With his undoubted engine, that would enable him to have more impact in the collision.

    What, get even heavier than 118kg ? ( apparently )

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-world-cup-2023/300973228/rugby-world-cup-2023-ethan-blackadder-fit-and-focused-for-all-blacks-return

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • DuluthD Offline
    DuluthD Offline
    Duluth
    replied to antipodean last edited by Duluth
    #814

    @antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    Blackadder could benefit from adding more muscle and strength to his frame. With his undoubted engine, that would enable him to have more impact in the collision.

    Sure, but he's is not that small

    I think it's something else. Coaches of his and EB himself have joked about how unco he is. Too often he gets himself into weak positions going into contact and crumbles/bounces off etc

    kiwiinmelbK KiwiMurphK 2 Replies Last reply
    7
  • ChrisC Offline
    ChrisC Offline
    Chris
    replied to brodean last edited by
    #815

    @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:

    Tackle Evasion %
    34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
    26.7 Ardie Savea
    22.8 Dalton Papali'i
    20.0 Jahrome Brown
    19.5 Luke Jacobson
    18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    8.8 Kaylum Boshier
    8.6 Tom Christie
    7.1 Adrian Choat
    2.5 Ethan Blackadder

    Gainline %
    73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
    73.5 Jahrome Brown
    68.8 Ardie Savea
    66.7 Adrian Choat
    65.8 Luke Jacobson
    64.3 Kaylum Boshier
    63.0 Dalton Papali'i
    54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    44.2 Tom Christie
    34.1 Ethan Blackadder

    Dominant Carry %
    44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
    43.8 Luke Jacobson
    35.5 Ardie Savea
    34.3 Dalton Papali'i
    33.8 Tom Christie
    33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    28.2 Kaylum Boshier
    24.1 Adrian Choat
    13.8 Ethan Blackadder

    When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

    Worries me Finau appears in none of those stats.
    Points to no impact yet he has been selected.

    MN5M DuluthD 2 Replies Last reply
    0
  • MN5M Offline
    MN5M Offline
    MN5
    replied to Chris last edited by
    #816

    @Chris said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:

    Tackle Evasion %
    34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
    26.7 Ardie Savea
    22.8 Dalton Papali'i
    20.0 Jahrome Brown
    19.5 Luke Jacobson
    18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    8.8 Kaylum Boshier
    8.6 Tom Christie
    7.1 Adrian Choat
    2.5 Ethan Blackadder

    Gainline %
    73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
    73.5 Jahrome Brown
    68.8 Ardie Savea
    66.7 Adrian Choat
    65.8 Luke Jacobson
    64.3 Kaylum Boshier
    63.0 Dalton Papali'i
    54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    44.2 Tom Christie
    34.1 Ethan Blackadder

    Dominant Carry %
    44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
    43.8 Luke Jacobson
    35.5 Ardie Savea
    34.3 Dalton Papali'i
    33.8 Tom Christie
    33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    28.2 Kaylum Boshier
    24.1 Adrian Choat
    13.8 Ethan Blackadder

    When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

    Worries me Finau appears in none of those stats.
    Points to no impact yet he has been selected.

    Does smashing small first fives not count ?

    ChrisC 1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • DuluthD Offline
    DuluthD Offline
    Duluth
    replied to Chris last edited by
    #817

    @Chris said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:

    Tackle Evasion %
    34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
    26.7 Ardie Savea
    22.8 Dalton Papali'i
    20.0 Jahrome Brown
    19.5 Luke Jacobson
    18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    8.8 Kaylum Boshier
    8.6 Tom Christie
    7.1 Adrian Choat
    2.5 Ethan Blackadder

    Gainline %
    73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
    73.5 Jahrome Brown
    68.8 Ardie Savea
    66.7 Adrian Choat
    65.8 Luke Jacobson
    64.3 Kaylum Boshier
    63.0 Dalton Papali'i
    54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    44.2 Tom Christie
    34.1 Ethan Blackadder

    Dominant Carry %
    44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
    43.8 Luke Jacobson
    35.5 Ardie Savea
    34.3 Dalton Papali'i
    33.8 Tom Christie
    33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    28.2 Kaylum Boshier
    24.1 Adrian Choat
    13.8 Ethan Blackadder

    When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

    Worries me Finau appears in none of those stats.
    Points to no impact yet he has been selected.

    That poster left him off by accident I guess

    Tackle Evasion 15.1%
    Gainline 71.1%
    Dominant Carry 36.1%

    ChrisC 1 Reply Last reply
    2
  • ChrisC Offline
    ChrisC Offline
    Chris
    replied to MN5 last edited by
    #818

    @MN5 said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @Chris said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:

    Tackle Evasion %
    34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
    26.7 Ardie Savea
    22.8 Dalton Papali'i
    20.0 Jahrome Brown
    19.5 Luke Jacobson
    18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    8.8 Kaylum Boshier
    8.6 Tom Christie
    7.1 Adrian Choat
    2.5 Ethan Blackadder

    Gainline %
    73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
    73.5 Jahrome Brown
    68.8 Ardie Savea
    66.7 Adrian Choat
    65.8 Luke Jacobson
    64.3 Kaylum Boshier
    63.0 Dalton Papali'i
    54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    44.2 Tom Christie
    34.1 Ethan Blackadder

    Dominant Carry %
    44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
    43.8 Luke Jacobson
    35.5 Ardie Savea
    34.3 Dalton Papali'i
    33.8 Tom Christie
    33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    28.2 Kaylum Boshier
    24.1 Adrian Choat
    13.8 Ethan Blackadder

    When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

    Worries me Finau appears in none of those stats.
    Points to no impact yet he has been selected.

    Does smashing small first fives not count ?

    If that is all you are capable of hitting someone half your size I would think no.

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • ChrisC Offline
    ChrisC Offline
    Chris
    replied to Duluth last edited by
    #819

    @Duluth said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @Chris said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:

    Tackle Evasion %
    34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
    26.7 Ardie Savea
    22.8 Dalton Papali'i
    20.0 Jahrome Brown
    19.5 Luke Jacobson
    18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    8.8 Kaylum Boshier
    8.6 Tom Christie
    7.1 Adrian Choat
    2.5 Ethan Blackadder

    Gainline %
    73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
    73.5 Jahrome Brown
    68.8 Ardie Savea
    66.7 Adrian Choat
    65.8 Luke Jacobson
    64.3 Kaylum Boshier
    63.0 Dalton Papali'i
    54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    44.2 Tom Christie
    34.1 Ethan Blackadder

    Dominant Carry %
    44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
    43.8 Luke Jacobson
    35.5 Ardie Savea
    34.3 Dalton Papali'i
    33.8 Tom Christie
    33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    28.2 Kaylum Boshier
    24.1 Adrian Choat
    13.8 Ethan Blackadder

    When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

    Worries me Finau appears in none of those stats.
    Points to no impact yet he has been selected.

    That poster left him off by accident I guess

    Tackle Evasion 15.1%
    Gainline 71.1%
    Dominant Carry 36.1%

    That makes me fell a bit better .

    1 Reply Last reply
    1
  • BovidaeB Offline
    BovidaeB Offline
    Bovidae
    wrote last edited by
    #820

    The key for those stats was for a 7.

    ChrisC 1 Reply Last reply
    1
  • ChrisC Offline
    ChrisC Offline
    Chris
    replied to Bovidae last edited by
    #821

    @Bovidae said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    The key for those stats was for a 7.

    Blackadder more a 6 than a 7 I think that showed in the SR finals.

    B 1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • S Away
    S Away
    SouthernMann
    replied to brodean last edited by
    #822

    @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    My impression is he doesn't do enough in the defensive side of the game.

    Lasaqa doesn't hit enough rucks for a 7 and is ineffective:

    Rucks Per 80 Minutes
    35.34 Dalton Papali'i
    32.44 Tom Christie
    31.48 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    29.13 Jahrome Brown
    28.53 Ardie Savea
    26.84 Luke Jacobson
    26.31 Kaylum Boshier
    20.92 Veveni Lasaqa

    Attacking Ruck Effectiveness
    89.9 Dalton Papali'i
    89.6 Tom Christie
    87.6 Jahrome Brown
    86.3 Ardie Savea
    85.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    84.9 Luke Jacobson
    76.5 Veveni Lasaqa
    76.1 Kaylum Boshier

    Defensive Ruck Effectiveness
    23.5 Kaylum Boshier
    23.2 Luke Jacobson
    21.5 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    20.5 Ardie Savea
    15.2 Jahrome Brown
    14.5 Dalton Papali'i
    13.8 Tom Christie
    12.1 Veveni Lasaqa

    Be interested to see Sean Withy's stats there. Lasaqa spends a lot of time in the wider channels. With Withy primarily being the worker. It is Lasaqa's first year in Super too. He will get better, bigger and more robust.

    B W 2 Replies Last reply
    3
  • B Online
    B Online
    brodean
    replied to Chris last edited by
    #823

    @Chris

    He played 6 and 7 though didn't he? Christie came off and Grace came on. Blackadder shuffled to 7.

    He's played 6 and 7 last year.

    ChrisC DuluthD 2 Replies Last reply
    0
  • ACT CrusaderA Offline
    ACT CrusaderA Offline
    ACT Crusader
    replied to Landers92 last edited by
    #824

    @Landers92 said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @Tim said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @Landers92 How about off the bench in game 2, or a start in game 3? Seems that lineout and defense are his best areas.

    Wasn’t aware he was talking about game 1. I’m sure they have a plan for these newbies, feels like the days of throwing players to the wolves doesn’t really happen anymore.

    But is playing against this French side in a home series really the wolves? I don’t think so. Sure every test match is a ‘test’, but this series presents an ideal opportunity to see some of the less experienced players along side experienced ABs and what they can do.

    I would love to see a number of them start.

    Landers92L 1 Reply Last reply
    4
  • B Online
    B Online
    brodean
    replied to SouthernMann last edited by
    #825

    @SouthernMann

    He's a good prospect. Some where suggesting he should be on the AB's radar based on his running game and I just wanted to show he has some weakness to his game he needs to work on.

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • ChrisC Offline
    ChrisC Offline
    Chris
    replied to brodean last edited by
    #826

    @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @Chris

    He played 6 and 7 though didn't he? Christie came off and Grace came on. Blackadder shuffled to 7.

    He's played 6 and 7 last year.

    Grace covered 7 as well it was not always a swap to 7.

    B 1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • DuluthD Offline
    DuluthD Offline
    Duluth
    replied to brodean last edited by
    #827

    @brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @Chris

    He played 6 and 7 though didn't he? Christie came off and Grace came on. Blackadder shuffled to 7.

    He's played 6 and 7 last year.

    6 starts at 7
    4 starts at 6
    1 bench

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
  • ACT CrusaderA Offline
    ACT CrusaderA Offline
    ACT Crusader
    replied to Bones last edited by
    #828

    @Bones said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

    @African-Monkey by the same strawman token, I'm definitely not convinced EB dominated them either. And yeah I'm guessing the rest of the ABs should be crusaders too, since they dominated their opposites. Give them credit man!

    I agree.

    BonesB 1 Reply Last reply
    3

2025 All Blacks v France series
Sports Talk
allblacksfrance
  • Login

  • Don't have an account? Register

  • Login or register to search.
  • First post
    Last post
0
  • Categories
  • Login

  • Don't have an account? Register

  • Login or register to search.