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    @antipodean it's cruel to whip 'em when they are alive!

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    @da_grubster said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?

    Wondering about this.

    Beaudy was pretty ordinary in the first part of the Super season. Came right in the ABs camp, but he seems to be regressing.

    I wonder how long the coaches will put up with substandard goal kicking - eventually it will cost us a match, so he needs to sort it - otherwise he'll have to be relegated to super-sub status again.

    General performance from Beaudy has me wondering again how effective he can be when his forwards are getting munched. I didn't see him trying to take control at any point. In fact after the game I realised I could barely remember seeing him.

    They had 30 something percent possession in the first half. He barely had the ball enough to make an impression before he was hooked. When and where was he supposed to take control?

    35% is not great but it's adequate. A more controlling performance from a Beauden Barrett would include, for example, taking on the line himself - something that has been his hallmark this season. Aaron Cruden had more direct influence on proceedings when he came on, though admittedly not always positive.

    As mentioned, he only had the ball a handful of times in attack. It would be interesting to know at what stage him taking the ball to the line would have been a controlling performance or indeed called for under the circumstances.

    Cruden came on and failed to find touch from a penalty and then sent a harmless kick into the 22. With much more possession and a tiring opponent of course he's going to be more involved.

    BB totally deserves any criticism for his kicking, which could prove crucial in some of the typical arm-wrestles up north. It could even be argued that Lima S gets the nod if BB cant get at least 70%. But complaining that he didn't control the game enough when his team had 35% possession and he barely touched the ball in attack is absolutely ridiculous.

    Far from ridiculous but OK, if you're happy with that level of influence from your field general , then fair enough. You can probably even argue that the pattern this team plays removes the need for one central decision maker and that's probably what got them through on Saturday.

    Still, the great first five performances I remember were the ones where, when things weren't panning out, the player demanded the ball and took the game on his shoulders. And that includes situations where possession was poor. Andrew Mehrtens is a classic example, he often played behind a pack that served up less than 40% possession, especially in the latter half of his career. Dan Carter was frequently in those situations too.

    I've got no doubt Barrett will get there with more time under his belt but he hasn't yet and Saturday's game was clear evidence of that.

    Jesus, the way you're banging on you'd think we were getting hammered and severely under the cosh. But the abs were farking leading at half time and if BB had had his kicking boots on the buffer would have been rather healthy. So you have a team that has scored 3 tries to 1 and is leading at the break and you reckon that's a poor reflection on the flyhalf, who has had little ball to work with?

    I'm sure BB would have become much more involved as the game wore on, but it's absurd to criticise him for a first half performance when the abs scored 3 tries with 35% possession. But I'm sure if he put his head down and took the ball to the line those stats would look so much better and the forwards would start winning the collisions and making tackles.

    He touched the ball 6 times in the 1st half and missed 3 kicks at goal.

    6 times. For a 10. Did we only win 6 ducks in the half?

    I agree with Crucial, this is exactly the sort of game that you would like your general to take hold of and steer his team around the park and make the play and yet he only touch the ball once every 7 minutes.

    Then it is revealed that he has an ear infection.

    Perhaps he should have been left out be wise he clearly wasn't right

    Perenara did most of the kicking in the first half.

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    No abdolutely not. Owens whistled try and then almost instantly had Veldsman in his Comms saying he wanted to look at the obstruction.

    And he then advised the players.

    I saw the obstruction in real time and expected Owens to see it as it was quite blatant and Savea also let everyone know, so I was disappointed them almost instantly soothed ..... by Owens sing sing voice telling players they were killing at something.

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    @Rapido Thanks for that

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    The "BB can't control a game" is rather ridiculous when the AB win the RC with a bonus point for 4 tries in each game (in fact, they scored an average of 6 tries per game) and with record margins. If you call "control of the game" kicking into the corners in order to apply pressure on the opponents, then BB does not know how to control a game. He just tears the defences to create and score tries which put the AB beyond reach of the opposition. Instead of winning by a 5-10 point margin, the AB, with his "no control", win with an average 25-30 point margin.
    I reckon he did not play his usual best last Saturday but that was his sole under par performance of the year. This criticism is beyond me.

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    Anyone would think you fluffybunnies had lost...

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    @NTA Gives you an idea how those 24 years between RWCs went for us 😭

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    It was pretty to watch 😉

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    @NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    It was pretty to watch 😉

    True, I must admit I've had a lot of fun watching the Wallabies in the doldrums this year. 😉

    I am worried about the knowledge of laws in Australia - I was told twice today that you can only obstruct defenders from in front of the ball player. I really should have watched more of the NRC to see this hybrid Rugby-NFL that appears to be taught in the Oz system.

    What was weird was the usually mild mannered Aussie guy I chat about with rugby at work went all a bit Kafe over this, I thought he was going to clock me at one stage (which is a worry as he's about 6ft 5"). Thankfully we avoided all rugby talk for the rest of the day.

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    @NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    It was pretty to watch 😉

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    It made the final payoff terrifying but ultimately all the more sweet

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    Fuck. So last year.

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    @NTA Relax, Summer's coming and you can still pump us in the cricket

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    @Rapido said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @canefan

    No abdolutely not. Owens whistled try and then almost instantly had Veldsman in his Comms saying he wanted to look at the obstruction.

    And he then advised the players.

    I saw the obstruction in real time and expected Owens to see it as it was quite blatant and Savea also let everyone know, so I was disappointed them almost instantly soothed ..... by Owens sing sing voice telling players they were killing at something.

    Actually just watching this on the sky replay. And my version is not right.

    It wasn't instant, it was after about 2 replays on the big screen (and crowd have a cheer when Owens gave the double whistle) .

    But it was Veldsman's interjection. Owens words were (to Foley) "hold the conversion, I have a Tmo call, a check. Tell me what I'm looking at ...."

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    The replay - regardless of the big screen at the ground - would be right in front of Veldsman

    As you say, there were two replays between Owens whistling the try, and the stoppage to check more replays.

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    @NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    The replay - regardless of the big screen at the ground - would be right in front of Veldsman

    As you say, there were two replays between Owens whistling the try, and the stoppage to check more replays.

    Now that is what people should be up in arms about. Not the decision itself.

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    @NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    The replay - regardless of the big screen at the ground - would be right in front of Veldsman

    As you say, there were two replays between Owens whistling the try, and the stoppage to check more replays.

    Yes. Didn't mean to imply Veldsman was watching the bigscreen. But think he missed it live and picked it up on the replays (in his booth).

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    @Rapido right, so at least it was instigated by the TMO and not Owens

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    @Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    Now that is what people should be up in arms about. Not the decision itself.

    Yeah. Like that guy wrote in the blog post over on GAGR about TMO Protocols, the influence of the home broadcaster, and whether it could all use a little tweaking to ensure situations like this and the RWC2015 England / Fiji thing are properly scrutinised.

    🙂

    @canefan said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @Rapido right, so at least it was instigated by the TMO and not Owens

    Yes. Though its worth noting that if Owens - or either of the Touch Judges - saw it on the big screen before the conversion, he could have asked for a review.

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    @NTA Gaga sounds like a website named after the carry-on from the Aussie coach, I'll stick to teeusif.

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