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They are actually pro-Bernie, but as soon as it was Trump vs Clinton they took her side to try to keep Trump out (probably thinking they were influencing some of their followers) They never loved Hillary, but they hated Trump far, far more. So yes they weren't pro-Hillary in that sense, but they implored people to choose her as the lesser evil (except Jimmy Dore who voted Green). That is why when they said the Clinton Foudation was dodge (even if Cenk is smug condescending prick, it means something, they aren't Fox News) If you watch more than one part of one video of theirs, you'd realize that. -
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@Tregaskis said in US Election Thread 2016:
@jegga Right, we need to start combing desolate, rural areas for signs that crematoria and gas chambers are being built near train tracks. You start with Nebraska and I'll take Wyoming.
Gas chambers.... fracking....
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From the NZH (yeah, yeah, I know):
http://mobile.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.php?c_id=3&objectid=11749975PepsiCo CEO Indra Nooyi said she fielded questions from her employees who were "all crying" after the election. She said: "The question that they're asking, especially those who are not white: 'Are we safe?' Women are asking: 'Are we safe?' LGBT people are asking: 'Are we safe?' I never thought I'd have had to answer those questions."
Notably, she also spoke of unifying the country and acknowledging the democratic process. "We will all come together and unify the country. So the process of democracy happened. We just have to let life go on." Yet Trump supporters on social media platforms seized on parts of her remarks, calling for a boycott of PepsiCo's products. (A PepsiCo spokesman said in an emailed statement that "Mrs. Nooyi misspoke. She was referring to the reaction of a group of employees she spoke to who were apprehensive about the outcome of the election. She never intended to imply that all employees feel the same way. We are incredibly proud of the diverse views and backgrounds across our workforce, and we are united in our desire for a brighter future.")
=> So, most CEOs are apparently grappling with the actual realities of a new President.
However, you are allowed to ask your CEO if you will be the victim of a minority holocaust in Trump's Murca, but only if the CEO is a woman from an ethnic minority.
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These are interesting times. I think culture and society is seeing a bigger shift than has been seen in decades. It is incredible.
Companies, Celebs and Media have become so used to bending over for the regressive left that they are taking awhile to realise that tactic is now a doomed one. There is now a HUGE number of people in the US and elsewhere that feel emboldened to tell appeasers of the regressive left where to shove their opinions. It is now going to become a fact that it is very expensive for companies to get involved in politics. It used to be that attacking right wing views was an easy decision, the left made so much noise.. it was a no brainer.
That has all changed.
It will only magnify out, first to feel the effect will be corporations (like Pepsi), dont fuck off HALF your domestic market base! Next will come celebs and media as they get confronted more and more in more and more vocal ways, comedians like Colbert and John Oliver will be confronted, mocked and abused in ways they have never experienced but often handed out. There is a safety in numbers that will embolden those on the right and left who are sick of the regressive left to push back. when you know there are 60 million + people who agree that tyhese clebs, media and corporations are grade A piston wristed gibbons.. you are likely to say it. I ahve already noticed a willingness amongst colleagues and friends to agree with Trump that was simply not there 3 weeks ago.
Nature abhors a vacuum.. and someone who wants to make money or gain fame will fill the gaping vacuum, and they will go to war against the current media, Celebs and corporations. It wont be fast.. .. but it will happen over the next 4 years. There will be some epic showdowns. I cannot wait for someone like Oliver to have the shit ripped out of him. -
I mentioned way back in this thread, when the PGA moved a Florida event from a Trump course to Mexico during the Election, there was ALOT of angry fans, some claiming to burn any merchandise they had (moron you already paid for it, and when you get over that part of yourself, you'll buy more) and would stop supporting anything in relation to the PGA (obviously still playing golf every week...) saying that as a sporting organization they should keep their noses out of politics.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback yup people that are fed up with the regressives are finding their voice now.
The comments on this cringe worthy Stuff article are overwhelmingly against the writer. I bet that writer typed it thinking everyone would be in agreement with her, and a few months back she would have been correct. The regressive left have shown their true colours post the Trump win and people are starting to realise just how.... regressive they really are.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
These are interesting times. I think culture and society is seeing a bigger shift than has been seen in decades. It is incredible.
Companies, Celebs and Media have become so used to bending over for the regressive left that they are taking awhile to realise that tactic is now a doomed one. There is now a HUGE number of people in the US and elsewhere that feel emboldened to tell appeasers of the regressive left where to shove their opinions. It is now going to become a fact that it is very expensive for companies to get involved in politics. It used to be that attacking right wing views was an easy decision, the left made so much noise.. it was a no brainer.
That has all changed.
It will only magnify out, first to feel the effect will be corporations (like Pepsi), dont fuck off HALF your domestic market base! Next will come celebs and media as they get confronted more and more in more and more vocal ways, comedians like Colbert and John Oliver will be confronted, mocked and abused in ways they have never experienced but often handed out. There is a safety in numbers that will embolden those on the right and left who are sick of the regressive left to push back. when you know there are 60 million + people who agree that tyhese clebs, media and corporations are grade A piston wristed gibbons.. you are likely to say it. I ahve already noticed a willingness amongst colleagues and friends to agree with Trump that was simply not there 3 weeks ago.
Nature abhors a vacuum.. and someone who wants to make money or gain fame will fill the gaping vacuum, and they will go to war against the current media, Celebs and corporations. It wont be fast.. .. but it will happen over the next 4 years. There will be some epic showdowns. I cannot wait for someone like Oliver to have the shit ripped out of him.Excellent post.
This for me has been the massive catch 22 with Trump. I find him an all round repulsive man. I'm suspicious of his motives and of what he actually intends to do as president. But he has been the only guy out there with the balls to go after this absurd regressive left shit that has taken hold. He is the perfect example of the Dick-Pussy-Asshole analogy from Team America. As you mention, the difference already since he was elected is pretty remarkable. If the one thing he does is pull the rug out from under these dickheads and get us back to a situation where at least a modicum of common sense rules then maybe him being elected was a good thing.
You know it must be absolutely farking exhausting viewing the entire world through the prism of race or gender or sexuality or religion or whatever. Even worse when your starting point is that society is racist, misogynist, homophobic etc and its your mission in life to find even the most tenuous example of this and apply the blowtorch. The fact of the matter is, most people couldn't give a shit about these things. They just want to live their lives as best they can and take care of their families. Jobs and opportunities are important to them, not the colour of someone's skin or what they do in the bloody bedroom. The way we now appear to be divided (or assigned) into tribes frankly scares the shit out of me.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
These are interesting times. I think culture and society is seeing a bigger shift than has been seen in decades. It is incredible.
Companies, Celebs and Media have become so used to bending over for the regressive left that they are taking awhile to realise that tactic is now a doomed one. There is now a HUGE number of people in the US and elsewhere that feel emboldened to tell appeasers of the regressive left where to shove their opinions. It is now going to become a fact that it is very expensive for companies to get involved in politics. It used to be that attacking right wing views was an easy decision, the left made so much noise.. it was a no brainer.
That has all changed.
It will only magnify out, first to feel the effect will be corporations (like Pepsi), dont fuck off HALF your domestic market base! Next will come celebs and media as they get confronted more and more in more and more vocal ways, comedians like Colbert and John Oliver will be confronted, mocked and abused in ways they have never experienced but often handed out. There is a safety in numbers that will embolden those on the right and left who are sick of the regressive left to push back. when you know there are 60 million + people who agree that tyhese clebs, media and corporations are grade A piston wristed gibbons.. you are likely to say it. I ahve already noticed a willingness amongst colleagues and friends to agree with Trump that was simply not there 3 weeks ago.
Nature abhors a vacuum.. and someone who wants to make money or gain fame will fill the gaping vacuum, and they will go to war against the current media, Celebs and corporations. It wont be fast.. .. but it will happen over the next 4 years. There will be some epic showdowns. I cannot wait for someone like Oliver to have the shit ripped out of him.god you're a broken record, so i'm going to keep beating the drum too. could you point me to hillary saying regressive things during the campaign? i don't even consider her as 'left' for that matter.
i still reckon she got beaten because she is perceived as corrupt as all fuck, because she is perceived as a rich member of a political elite class that doesn't care about ordinary people. not because she thinks differently to you about who should be allowed in which dunny.for example: does clinton support those fuckwits on uni campuses with their safe spaces, not mentioning jefferson, trigger warnings etc? if she had said stuff like that on the campaign trail, and people had voted against it, then fair enough - but i just didn't see it.
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@reprobate Hillary spouted the same bullshit lies about sexism as the regressive feminists do. The pay gap is just accepted as fact by many because of her, Obama and MSM wanking on about it despite the fact the economics behind it are so flawed that you cannot take it seriously. She also came out in support of the BLM movement.
The fact that someone like Trump has won the election has hurt the narrative the regressive left has been trying to shove down everyone's throats. Without a doubt more and more people are calling it out for the bullshit that it is since his win. Whether that was the reason Hillary lost is beside the point - Trump's victory has led to a shift in culture as BSG says.
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@No-Quarter i know nothing whatsoever about black lives matter, so i can't really comment on that. i do believe that sexism still occurs, and i would be surprised if there wasn't a pay gap - i've never seen thorough analysis to prove that it exists, taking into account all variables - but then i haven't looked - and i have never seen any analysis that suggests that it doesn't exist.
i despise the crazies at the far end of the feminist spectrum - they don't deserve the name in my opinion - but i am strongly in favour of equality. sexism does still exist. i see shit like that photo posted twice on here of female defence ministers, with the implication that they are incompetent because they are female. fuck me. what a fluffybunny of a thing to think that is. fuck anyone who thinks like that.what i see is a few people angry with the 'regressive left' who want to say that the election was all about them, when i don't think it was. in the same way that is ridiculous to say that all trump voters are racist, it is ridiculous to say all voters were angry about the regressive left - as i've said i don't even think clinton is part of that.
i do agree that trump winning - despite the attacks on him which were based on his racism, sexism, saying naughty things etc - indicates that people care less about that than the media thinks. and probably less than they do about clinton's perceived corruption. i am in partial agreement with that sentiment, and if it quietens down the far left loons then that is great - but on the other hand if it means that trump's shit attitudes towards women etc become more acceptable, then that is not good.
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@reprobate said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
These are interesting times. I think culture and society is seeing a bigger shift than has been seen in decades. It is incredible.
Companies, Celebs and Media have become so used to bending over for the regressive left that they are taking awhile to realise that tactic is now a doomed one. There is now a HUGE number of people in the US and elsewhere that feel emboldened to tell appeasers of the regressive left where to shove their opinions. It is now going to become a fact that it is very expensive for companies to get involved in politics. It used to be that attacking right wing views was an easy decision, the left made so much noise.. it was a no brainer.
That has all changed.
It will only magnify out, first to feel the effect will be corporations (like Pepsi), dont fuck off HALF your domestic market base! Next will come celebs and media as they get confronted more and more in more and more vocal ways, comedians like Colbert and John Oliver will be confronted, mocked and abused in ways they have never experienced but often handed out. There is a safety in numbers that will embolden those on the right and left who are sick of the regressive left to push back. when you know there are 60 million + people who agree that tyhese clebs, media and corporations are grade A piston wristed gibbons.. you are likely to say it. I ahve already noticed a willingness amongst colleagues and friends to agree with Trump that was simply not there 3 weeks ago.
Nature abhors a vacuum.. and someone who wants to make money or gain fame will fill the gaping vacuum, and they will go to war against the current media, Celebs and corporations. It wont be fast.. .. but it will happen over the next 4 years. There will be some epic showdowns. I cannot wait for someone like Oliver to have the shit ripped out of him.god you're a broken record, so i'm going to keep beating the drum too. could you point me to hillary saying regressive things during the campaign? i don't even consider her as 'left' for that matter.
i still reckon she got beaten because she is perceived as corrupt as all fuck, because she is perceived as a rich member of a political elite class that doesn't care about ordinary people. not because she thinks differently to you about who should be allowed in which dunny.for example: does clinton support those fuckwits on uni campuses with their safe spaces, not mentioning jefferson, trigger warnings etc? if she had said stuff like that on the campaign trail, and people had voted against it, then fair enough - but i just didn't see it.
Clinton used every regressive left strategy at her disposal - not herself, but mainly through her surrogates. They screamed racist, sexist, Islamophobic at every opportunity. Obama himself was trying to link Trump to the KKK in their desperate attempt to increase black turnout in North Carolina. She and her Obama allowed this shit to go too far because it supported their political aims. They were fully aware of safe spaces etc but of course did nothing about it for fear of losing votes. Thank God she didn't win.
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I agree to some extent that that picture was sexist. But I don't think it was the male vs female thing was the major point being made but more the fact that you had what looked like the cast from Sex and the City vs a guy who looks like he eats glass for breakfast and would kill you if you so much as dared say the word latté in his presence.
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@reprobate I don't agree that real sexism exists in Western countries like NZ and the States. There are no systems in place designed to oppress women. All we really have is anecdotal evidence of random guys acting like dicks from time to time. What does your "world without sexism" look like? Everybody thinking exactly the same thing? You're never going to convince a dickhead to stop being a dickhead.
When you hear people like Judge Judy, who has had incredible success in a field that is meant to be be dominated by males, say that she has never experienced sexism then you start to realise that it only exists if it exists in your head. I'd say Judge Judy has that view because if she got negative feedback from a male, or lost out on a job to a male contender, instead of screaming SEXISM she accepted it on face value and got on with her life.
As it stands in Western countries we 100% have equality of opportunity. That cannot be disputed. We will never have equality of outcome because people make different life choices and there are inherent differences between men and women.
If you want to talk about sexism and oppression of women then you need to talk about places like the Middle East. That is where real sexism exists.
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think there is a fair bit of 'evidence' about that a gap exists, although there is also the other side of women being in top positions, or lack of, but then as we know, stats can be used to show what you want, so like anything, you take what you want from it.
majority of the jobs I have held in NZ, have had a woman at the top of the tree, and one of them would have had her as being one of the highest paid people in NZ.
My current job I have a female boss, and the one I mentioned above, my direct boss was female, her boss was female and her boss was the big boss.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11573349
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