Peyper Stats Vs AB
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@mariner4life said in Peyper Stats Vs AB:
@antipodean it's never been reffed that way, ever.
Yes I'm well aware of that thanks. I'm pointing out that too many scrum halves put their hands on the ball, then start directing traffic, then pull the ball out.
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@antipodean nice snarky "thanks".
Was the interpretation changed a few years back from out being "hands on the ball" to actually when the ball is pulled from the ruck? Or was that only club rugby? My last couple of years playing that was definitely the rule i was playing under, but that doesn't mean the pro game is the same.
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@Virgil said in Peyper Stats Vs AB:
@NTA said in Peyper Stats Vs AB:
Wow its like a fucking PMS-a-thon in here.
How's that cricket team looking this week Nick?
Oh hello - Mrs Menopause just walked in.
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@mariner4life One in the second half really pissed me off. Finally got into the Irish 22, 2 players offside as the halfback starts shaping up to kick. One withdraws when signaled by the ref, the other doesn't and it's another penalty and pressure relieved. That wasn't Peyper's fault, that was dumb play and has been happening too often this season.
On the rucks, it seemed there was a lot of wrestling of the ball after ABs player was on his knees - release only happening when Peyper called release. Not to mention the "in from all sides" turnover styles at the ruck.
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@mariner4life I thought the new interpretation was that the halfback needs to pick the ball off the ground for the ruck to be over. Too much inconsistency by refs though.
I noticed the Quins halfback roll the ball back along the ground to clear the ball from feet vs the Maori. Technically he hadn't picked up the ball from said ruck so the offside still applied. Halfbacks eh?
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@mariner4life said in Peyper Stats Vs AB:
Our offside penalties seem to be the result of our pillar/post defenders playing on anticipation, and everyone following them (as they should). The start to come forward when they think the halfback is going to pull the ball out, which is great when it's right, but when it's not...
I have noticed a few occasions, and at least a couple on the weekend, where the halfback looks like he is picking it up, but gets a knock or the ball moves, so he pulls out, but our boys have already gone. whistle. penalty. Peyper let a couple go because the guy going forward stopped and had not effect on play, but blew others.
There are definitely things for us to work on, even with a poor ref performance.
If when the half back touches the ball it is deemed to be out would stop a lot of this. But that is not the law. At the moment a number of half backs have their hands on the ball for an age and it is deemed still to be in the ruck. They can not dummy but they can step back which makes it look like they may pass.
if the half back puts his hands on the ball it has to be out of the ruck as he is not bound to the ruck or a player from either side.
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Can we merge this thread with the conspiracy theory one?
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@Catogrande said in Peyper Stats Vs AB:
Can we merge this thread with the conspiracy theory one?
Conspiracies have an absence of facts.
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@antipodean Conspiracy theorists assume facts
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@Wreck-Diver said in Peyper Stats Vs AB:
if the half back puts his hands on the ball it has to be out of the ruck as he is not bound to the ruck or a player from either side.
I actually think the law right now is good. If this was the case, what if the halfback has to dig into the ruck to get the ball? As soon as his hands go on, the defence can come and tackle him, but it may be under three blokes bodies and take a few seconds to clear.
I agree we shouldn't allow halfbacks to take the piss and sit there for ages resting on the ball, but I think it's pretty obvious when the ball is 'clear' of the ruck. We always got told it's 'when a bird can shit on it', and I think it's a pretty good and easy rule to follow.
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@Billy-Tell said in Peyper Stats Vs AB:
I have to say when Peyper first came on the scene I had high hopes. His first few Super Rugby games were very good. He has been poor in recent times, he had a mare for Eng vs Fiji opening game of RWC.
Just give us Gardiner for every game please. Otherwise Owens or Garcès.
Wasn't averse to the Froggy guy we had in Chi town. Generally good. Very little to complain about. (Only had a minor quibble being the inconsistency around obstruction at kick off.)
Mind tou Stuart Dickenson was a GREAT ref when he started.
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@booboo said in Peyper Stats Vs AB:
@Billy-Tell said in Peyper Stats Vs AB:
I have to say when Peyper first came on the scene I had high hopes. His first few Super Rugby games were very good. He has been poor in recent times, he had a mare for Eng vs Fiji opening game of RWC.
Just give us Gardiner for every game please. Otherwise Owens or Garcès.
Wasn't averse to the Froggy guy we had in Chi town. Generally good. Very little to complain about. (Only had a minor quibble being the inconsistency around obstruction at kick off.)
Mind tou Stuart Dickenson was a GREAT ref when he started.
Let's be clear on this. Stuart Dickenson was only ever a great ref in his own mind. Along with Wayne "scrum expert" Erickson. I always thought Dickenson was a closet soccer fan getting revenge on the 15-man code: absolutely no feel for the game, or an appreciation of the fact fans pay money to be entertained, not watch a game ruined by pedantry.
calms down, yeah I have no complaints about the French ref in Chicago, none whatsoever.
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Weirdly Wayne Erickson was awesome when he stated too ...
Conversely Clive Norling was the worst fluffybunny in tighty tight pants ever to blow a whistle when he started and he turned out pretty good.
I suppose refs can change.
