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    @tubbyj Sing along. You know the words...."A sunbeam, a sunbeam...." 🙂

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    @Rapido From the little I saw of Phillips, I'm not sure he can (average more than 12). Looked pretty limited in his brief T20 cameo. Keep the ball full and fast - no width and ask the question.

    Blundell looked a bit better when I saw him, but he was overshadowed by Hamish Marshall and Peter Fulton, which isn't a great recommendation.

    Small samples...

    I'm pretty reactionary when it comes to selections, so I don't mind sticking with Ronchi. I thought his batting in India indicated that he's not completely gone in the "Geoff Howarth" sort of way. I think he's the most likely to succeed, so I'd pick him (with Latham clearly needing a break).

    I also quite like targeting this Champions Trophy because it's one we could win "on our day". Basically you need to win four games out of five - one of which is vs Bangladesh and another of which is England.

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    The only prediction I will make is that ironically the match will be affected by rain. Overcast at the moment after overnight rain but the forecast is for afternoon thunderstorms.

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    Ronchi was sound in India, but I'm not sure he has (or ever really had) the ability to hit from ball one. He's failed way more then he's succeeded in that role. In India his best innings were when he had time to get himself set before accelerating, which is probably why there's been talk of him at 5.

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    Five is the worst position for Ronchi to bat. You want someone at 5 who can rotate the strike. Even if Ronchi gets a score, he will get them all in boundaries.

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    According to cricinfo no wicketkeeper batsman for the Caps has made it to 50 and beyond since Ronchi's 170 vs the Lankans, over 2 years ago.

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    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v South Africa:

    Ronchi was sound in India, but I'm not sure he has (or ever really had) the ability to hit from ball one. He's failed way more then he's succeeded in that role. In India his best innings were when he had time to get himself set before accelerating, which is probably why there's been talk of him at 5.

    He certainly used to. In his first 18 months his ability to hit from ball one was what really impressed me about him. In particular he had a great knack of hitting over the bowlers head (regardless of length, and even line)

    Now he can hit from ball one straight to fielders at a nice catchable height.

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    @Chris-B. said in Black Caps v South Africa:

    @Rapido From the little I saw of Phillips, I'm not sure he can (average more than 12). Looked pretty limited in his brief T20 cameo. Keep the ball full and fast - no width and ask the question.

    Blundell looked a bit better when I saw him, but he was overshadowed by Hamish Marshall and Peter Fulton, which isn't a great recommendation.

    Small samples...

    I'm pretty reactionary when it comes to selections, so I don't mind sticking with Ronchi. I thought his batting in India indicated that he's not completely gone in the "Geoff Howarth" sort of way. I think he's the most likely to succeed, so I'd pick him (with Latham clearly needing a break).

    I also quite like targeting this Champions Trophy because it's one we could win "on our day". Basically you need to win four games out of five - one of which is vs Bangladesh and another of which is England.

    Phillips wouldn't be my choice.

    Any of Blundell, Seiffert, Cleaver would actually be time well spent. An investment in either them as a player, or an investment in sorting out the post-Ronchi pecking order. Doing it now, rather than delaying the inevitable. Because Ronchi isn't going to help us win a tournament. This is just treading water with no tangible benefit.

    So basically Blundell should have been retained in the squad. He and Latham sharing. Latham could have been rotated out with no panic, loss of face. Got in a Plunket Shield round ahead of the tests, and get time in middle.

    With option of Latham returning during tri series in Ireland. To get that balance the selectors are looking for now they no longer trust Neesham's bowling.

    Whether Blundell is the future or not, I dont know. But at least we'd be progressing to a future.

    That's the sort of planned, consistent selecting I'd become accustomed to. I'm now getting the impression that the removal of just 2 figures from blackcaps leadership and selecting; McCullum and Edgar, is making Hesson look clueless.

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    @Rapido said in Black Caps v South Africa:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v South Africa:

    Ronchi was sound in India, but I'm not sure he has (or ever really had) the ability to hit from ball one. He's failed way more then he's succeeded in that role. In India his best innings were when he had time to get himself set before accelerating, which is probably why there's been talk of him at 5.

    He certainly used to. In his first 18 months his ability to hit from ball one was what really impressed me about him. In particular he had a great knack of hitting over the bowlers head (regardless of length, and even line)

    Now he can hit from ball one straight to fielders at a nice catchable height.

    Fair enough, but that was when he was in top form. Seems nowadays he takes a bit longer to get his eye in, so a bit more time at the crease would be beneficial to him.

    To @hydro11's point - I think that really shows how much we miss Elliot in that role. We really don't have anyone bar Kane that is adept at rotating the strike.

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    Neil Broom is a bit of a funny one. Made runs against Bangladesh and played a good innings versus the Aussies. He was talked about as the next test #5. Now I think he will need injuries to play for the Black Caps again. Will probably get a go versus Ireland or Bangladesh, I suppose.

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    Is Ronchi at 5 Hesson's plan or do we think Macca is getting in his ear overly much?

    I do like Ronchi but he's been rough for a while now. Hope he takes some time to get in and settled rather than play like a pinch hitter floating down the order... irrespective of the state of the game when he gets in.

    In any case I'm keen to see Blundell get a run and with Latham off the boil the time seems right. Agree with other posters that cycling between them lets us work Latham back into form and see what the newbie can do. SA are bloody good but it's much better to debut in your own conditions imo. Aside from the increased fan pressure of course!

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    SA won the toss and will bat. Patel playing as the 2nd spinner. The other changes as expected.

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    Inspired inclusion bringing Dipak back to open the bowing

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    The spins twins are opening...

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    @mariner4life said in Black Caps v South Africa:

    Inspired inclusion bringing Dipak back to open the bowing

    Indeed, the triumphant Cricinfo headline:

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    Not sure why Kane only used Patel and Santner for 3 overs. Life is looking much easier against Boult and Southee.

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    Strange review process against Faf.

    Third umpire finds no evidence, but there's a small spike as the ball goes past the bat. No hotspot.

    I think he might have got a tiny nick and the commentators think Faf thinks he did as well.

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    Making our way through the Jaapies. AB makes a rare mistake and runs out Pretorius.

    159/6

    Get AB now and we've got the game by the throat!

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    Guptill doesn't look 100% with the hamstrings as he's fielding at 3rd man.

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    This little spell is costing us the game. Some pretty average bowling and fielding on display.

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