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CNN comedian Kathy Griffin.
But remember, Trump takes 2 scoops of ice-cream.@ CNN contributors today.
BALL: Who is saying it’s acceptable discourse?TAPPER: Donald Trump, Jr.
BALL: Who is saying it’s even discourse? I mean have a hard time bringing myself to care about something like this. I think it just speaks to the need to see themselves as a victim that they have, that they are constantly being persecuted.
TAPPER: The Trumps you’re talking about.
BALL: The Trump people are constantly having to point to the elites who are looking down on them. Of course, comedians and celebrities say dumb stuff and do dumb stuff and violence is not appropriate, but I just don’t think that that’s the source of President Trump’s problems.
TAPPER: David?
URBAN: I think we’ve got much bigger issues to focus on than Kathy Griffin.
TAPPER: Jen, do you want to weigh in at all?
PSAKI: Agreed with David.
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I agree with them. Comedians should say and do stupid and offensive stuff.
Where I have the issue is the hypocrisy. If someone had done this about Obama these people and many others would collectively lose their shite and the comedian would have been in a world of pain. And anyone claiming Obama faced anything like this is a dishonest partisan tool. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
I agree with them. Comedians should say and do stupidand offensive stuff.
Where I have the issue is he agree hypocrisy. If someone had done this about Obama these people and many others would collectively lose their white and the comedian would have been in a world of pain. And anyone claiming Obama faced anything like this is a dishonest partisan tool.Yep, it's the blatant hypocrisy that shits me.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback One thing that has been bought up to me was the Obama lynching effigies that arose during his election/s and the tea party movement. Not done by a celebrity and a number were investigated, no convictions I am aware of. I agree its a form of free speech but a lynching effigy of a black man with the usa's history, that doesn't sit at all well with me as an expression that should be protected. Kind of awkward as I am massively pro free speech.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:
Yep, it's the blatant hypocrisy that shits me.
Me too. Its the worst.
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@Frank I don't have time to watch the video you posted but if it is all about the media and others 'having it in for Trump' or the silly notion of 'derangement syndrome' I get that view.
What that ignores though is the very real concerns held within the public service on the damage Trump and his way of operating will do on years of relationship building, networking and progress especially in the international arena.
In foreign affairs things move slowly. It may sometimes appear that an elected leader has suddenly created a great change but the reality is that public servants working through periods of various elected officials and govt appointed heads have quietly forged the basis on which policy changes can be made.
I really don't think Trump grasps that concept. He has run a business where employees jump to his every whim and change of mind and he holds ultimate power. That isn't the case now, especially when it comes to diplomacy. want Germany to up their spend in NATO? Then use the channels of liaison people to get that message across out of the public eye then announce it as a joint agreement that makes everyone look good. Don't tweet in capitals about a debt that doesn't exist and cause embarrassment and resentment where the other party has to save face in their own country by standing up to you.
You wonder why the leaking within the US govt is so high? probably because people are afraid or pissed of that years of their work is being trampled on by a blundering graceless President that won't listen to advice.
Getting back to Russia. It is obviously the strand of hope to bring him down or pull him into reality. Personally I don't think he, or his group have been doing anything nefarious, but they are quite possibly guilty of not thinking through the consequences of their actions to the point where Putin is just sitting back laughing at it all playing into his lap especially where NATO is concerned.
I'm not so sure that I'd be that happy in Lithuania at the moment. It's getting to the point where Putin will just walk straight through them and give the rest of the world the finger.
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@gollum said in US Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:
Yep, it's the blatant hypocrisy that shits me.
Me too. Its the worst.
Well that was relevant to the topic at hand...
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More ball, less man @gollum lets not get locked down again
It is a fair call to highlight the fact that some of this info has been out for a while.
If there is new and genuine info, or some findings have come to light, then I'll be watching with interest. But if it's more of the vitriol from either end of the spectrum then meh.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
Why were my videos invisible? I could restore them myself. But why were they invisible?
Presumably a mod deleted them. Don't restore them
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