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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in North Korea:
Just look at West and East Germany to understand why. To think they built a fucking wall to stop their citizens leaving. That's a ringing endorsement of the communist paradise.
Alternative fact: It was to keep the downtrodden capitalists out as punishment.
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So anyway, what do people think of the North Korea issue? Feels to me like years of inaction has led us to the point where they can fire nuclear warheads across the ocean, but I really don't know a great deal about it - seems a bit concerning though.
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@No-Quarter said in US Politics:
So anyway, what do people think of the North Korea issue? Feels to me like years of inaction has led us to the point where they can fire nuclear warheads across the ocean, but I really don't know a great deal about it - seems a bit concerning though.
I agree about years of inaction but disagree that jumping to aggression in return is the best way to go.
What is interesting about the intel leak is that no one from the WH is decrying what truly could be a national security leak of a highly classified report. Are they now using the leak culture they supposedly hate to their own benefit? -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@No-Quarter said in US Politics:
So anyway, what do people think of the North Korea issue? Feels to me like years of inaction has led us to the point where they can fire nuclear warheads across the ocean, but I really don't know a great deal about it - seems a bit concerning though.
I agree about years of inaction but disagree that jumping to aggression in return is the best way to go.
What is interesting about the intel leak is that no one from the WH is decrying what truly could be a national security leak of a highly classified report. Are they now using the leak culture they supposedly hate to their own benefit?That is a pretty standard political tool so it wouldn't be at all surprising.
Somewhat funny though.
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@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@No-Quarter said in US Politics:
So anyway, what do people think of the North Korea issue? Feels to me like years of inaction has led us to the point where they can fire nuclear warheads across the ocean, but I really don't know a great deal about it - seems a bit concerning though.
I agree about years of inaction but disagree that jumping to aggression in return is the best way to go.
What is interesting about the intel leak is that no one from the WH is decrying what truly could be a national security leak of a highly classified report. Are they now using the leak culture they supposedly hate to their own benefit?That is a pretty standard political tool so it wouldn't be at all surprising.
Somewhat funny though.
Especially when there is no need to leak when Trump could simply say 'I have received intelligence that......'
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@No-Quarter said in US Politics:
So anyway, what do people think of the North Korea issue? Feels to me like years of inaction has led us to the point where they can fire nuclear warheads across the ocean, but I really don't know a great deal about it - seems a bit concerning though.
Don't know.
In an NZ context, it seems like North Korea is a bit like the Mongrel Mob.
What do you do about them?
It's tempting to nuke them into oblivion, but it's probably not the right path.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
It is a worrying time when you have trump basically publicly saying
'make another threat and it's nuclear war'. Build a wall. Drain the swampetc etcEdited for context.
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@Catogrande agreed, but the reaction of the audience is a little more difficult to judge, and the potential consequences a bit more serious.
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@reprobate Ha! You're not wrong. It was more of a reflection of discussions on here in the past when some have posited that Trump's unrestricted hyperbole might someday lead him to say something dangerous. Something where there is actually a material cost that can't be assuaged by suggesting that it wasn't what he really said.
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@Catogrande yes indeed, the post apocalyptic press conference with Sanders saying, 'well no that wasn't really what the president meant'...
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Crucial yeah. The kings of threatening rhetoric up against a thin skinned narcissist who never backs down. Wins all round.
Perhaps they should play golf to see who wins. It will be the best game of golf ever. Matching each other for holes in one all the way round.
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The wailing about Trumps emotive language towards North Korea is bloody hilarious.
Because all the pussy footing aorund with appeasements has worked so bloody well hasnt it. Now a dictator nutjob regime has nukes capable of reaching the mainland US.... great job Clinton, Bu x2 2 and Obama.. stella job there guys. You really negotiated up a storm there! If by negotiated you mean bent over and dropped your pants to take one up the Hershey highway.
If Obama was this visionary leader, Nobel peace prize winner and great statesmen he night have actually done ... something (as opposed to talking reeeeeeeally slowly).
If there is a massive conflict, it wont be on Trumps shoulders, it will be the 5-6 presidents before him who had a policy of appeasement and head in the sand stupidity.
Oh boo fucking hoo.. Trump threatened NK, maybe if a few presidents before them had actually done their job the US wouldnt be in this situation.
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Also worth noting that Clinton said if NK developed a nuclear bomb:
"we would quickly and overwhelmingly retaliate. It would mean the end of their country as they know it"
Extreme language has often being used in relation to NK. It's a way of escalating from regular diplomacy without actually taking military action
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@Duluth said in US Politics:
Also worth noting that Clinton said if NK developed a nuclear bomb:
"we would quickly and overwhelmingly retaliate. It would mean the end of their country as they know it"
Extreme language has often being used in relation to NK. It's a way of escalating from regular diplomacy without actually taking military action
Clinton was speaking out of his arse. America would lose all its allies in the region if it acted unilaterally, particularly as everyone knows what the result would look like for South Korea and probably Japan.
China puts up with NK solely because it doesn't want a US ally on its border.
Sooner or later people will come to realise that politicians talking tough are for the benefit of news sound bites.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in North Korea:
The wailing about Trumps emotive language towards North Korea is bloody hilarious.
Because all the pussy footing aorund with appeasements has worked so bloody well hasnt it. Now a dictator nutjob regime has nukes capable of reaching the mainland US.... great job Clinton, Bu x2 2 and Obama.. stella job there guys. You really negotiated up a storm there! If by negotiated you mean bent over and dropped your pants to take one up the Hershey highway.
If Obama was this visionary leader, Nobel peace prize winner and great statesmen he night have actually done ... something (as opposed to talking reeeeeeeally slowly).
If there is a massive conflict, it wont be on Trumps shoulders, it will be the 5-6 presidents before him who had a policy of appeasement and head in the sand stupidity.
Oh boo fucking hoo.. Trump threatened NK, maybe if a few presidents before them had actually done their job the US wouldnt be in this situation.
What exactly is the solution if you think Trump is handling it so badly? How is he supposed to clean up his predecessors mess?Hang on no-one has suggested giving Obama, the Bushes or Clinton a free ride. This is all about how the incumbent President is dealing with a highly important issue. Once again you're picking an argument that isn't there instead of actually critiquing Trump's actions and words.
Every President (Prime Minister, whatever) has always had to deal with the shit pie left behind by his predecessor but what's done is done and it is how the incumbent deals with things that is of immediate importance. You can moan about Trump being held up to a different moral code or level of media intrusion all you want but that cannot paper over how he behaves in office. Deal with that before dealing with any unfairness.
BTW I'm sure that unfairness in politics is an oxymoron.
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@Catogrande said in North Korea:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in North Korea:
The wailing about Trumps emotive language towards North Korea is bloody hilarious.
Because all the pussy footing aorund with appeasements has worked so bloody well hasnt it. Now a dictator nutjob regime has nukes capable of reaching the mainland US.... great job Clinton, Bu x2 2 and Obama.. stella job there guys. You really negotiated up a storm there! If by negotiated you mean bent over and dropped your pants to take one up the Hershey highway.
If Obama was this visionary leader, Nobel peace prize winner and great statesmen he night have actually done ... something (as opposed to talking reeeeeeeally slowly).
If there is a massive conflict, it wont be on Trumps shoulders, it will be the 5-6 presidents before him who had a policy of appeasement and head in the sand stupidity.
Oh boo fucking hoo.. Trump threatened NK, maybe if a few presidents before them had actually done their job the US wouldnt be in this situation.
What exactly is the solution if you think Trump is handling it so badly? How is he supposed to clean up his predecessors mess?Hang on no-one has suggested giving Obama, the Bushes or Clinton a free ride. This is all about how the incumbent President is dealing with a highly important issue. Once again you're picking an argument that isn't there instead of actually critiquing Trump's actions and words.
Every President (Prime Minister, whatever) has always had to deal with the shit pie left behind by his predecessor but what's done is done and it is how the incumbent deals with things that is of immediate importance. You can moan about Trump being held up to a different moral code or level of media intrusion all you want but that cannot paper over how he behaves in office. Deal with that before dealing with any unfairness.
BTW I'm sure that unfairness in politics is an oxymoron.
What's to critique????
Some country threatens to attack your country and kill your citizens and he says that if they do he will fuck thier shit up like nobody has ever seen before. That's calling a space a spade. .. unless you think NK nuking the US would just lead to sanctions....
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