Vegas Shooting
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@antipodean Yeah, is a very hard mindset to understand especially coming from countries with strong gun control and significantly less gun deaths.
I wonder are people in the US more violent? Fron my own fairly limited experience outside of a certain ghettoised areas I didn't find people very agressive or violent at all. If I was do to the walking home by myself from a pub test I'd rate New Zealand pretty bad for unprovoked attacks. Of course this is generally weaponless so the outcomes aren't so bad.
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@rembrandt Crime figures vary significantly depending on rural/ city, location, ethnic makeup and socio-economic factors.
Americans are among the most polite people I've ever met. But as a whole the country is violent.
This is the USA compared to other countries that rank high on the Human Development Index:
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Chicago is a gun-free zone, and clearly it's working.
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The FBI has spent the better part of the past year throwing all their resources investigating Putin stole the election and Drumpf colluded with the evil Rooskies -- just be patient, throw some more money and special prosecutors in our direction and we'll find the smoking gun any month now...
...Yet they took all of an hour to declare this psycho Vegas sniper had zero connection to any terrorist organization.
Who, me, skeptical...?
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@salacious-crumb said in Vegas Shooting:
And again, stricter gun control like they have in France would not have prevented this atrocity, any more than strict gun control laws in France stopped the atrocity at Bataclan nightclub in Paris. If you're psychopathic, evil and motivated enough, you'll find a way, even if it's a van filled with fertilizer.
no. you don't argue this point by anecdote. you argue it by statistics.
france is a shitload safer than the US in terms of gun deaths. they have far fewer mass shootings.
the stats indicate that gun control frequently does stop things like this happening.
sometimes it will still happen, yes. less often is still a win. -
@reprobate said in Vegas Shooting:
@salacious-crumb said in Vegas Shooting:
And again, stricter gun control like they have in France would not have prevented this atrocity, any more than strict gun control laws in France stopped the atrocity at Bataclan nightclub in Paris. If you're psychopathic, evil and motivated enough, you'll find a way, even if it's a van filled with fertilizer.
no. you don't argue this point by anecdote. you argue it by statistics.
What do you mean I don't...? I just farkin' did. If you don't like the argument, so be it. A nightclub in Paris got shot up i n a nation with strict gun control laws. You dispute this? Oh, you want stats. Alrighty then. 130 people were mowed down in a nighclub where gun laws are really-really tough.
france is a shitload safer than the US in terms of gun deaths. they have far fewer mass shootings.
the stats indicate that gun control frequently does stop things like this happening.
sometimes it will still happen, yes. less often is still a win. -
Here's the headline I've been waiting for...
O.J. Spends First Night As Free Man Near Scene Of Massacre
"I hope nobody tries to pin any of this on you’"
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@salacious-crumb said in Vegas Shooting:
@reprobate said in Vegas Shooting:
@salacious-crumb said in Vegas Shooting:
And again, stricter gun control like they have in France would not have prevented this atrocity, any more than strict gun control laws in France stopped the atrocity at Bataclan nightclub in Paris. If you're psychopathic, evil and motivated enough, you'll find a way, even if it's a van filled with fertilizer.
no. you don't argue this point by anecdote. you argue it by statistics.
What do you mean I don't...? I just farkin' did. If you don't like the argument, so be it. A nightclub in Paris got shot up i n a nation with strict gun control laws. You dispute this? Oh, you want stats. Alrighty then. 130 people were mowed down in a nighclub where gun laws are really-really tough.
france is a shitload safer than the US in terms of gun deaths. they have far fewer mass shootings.
the stats indicate that gun control frequently does stop things like this happening.
sometimes it will still happen, yes. less often is still a win.the relevant stat is france's much lower number of mass shootings.
of course it could just be the cheese keeping them relatively safer than the septics - that would be an argument too, and just as shit a one.
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Equally relevant is you can have all the laws in the world against these weapons, but if someone if motivated enough, they'll find a way. Both France and United States had bloody revolutions. The history, culture and commitment is there.
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@antipodean said in Vegas Shooting:
That's clearly automatic small arms fire ~35 secs in.
Or he's the best double-handed riflemaster in the known universe.
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List of countries by firearm-related death rate
This is a historical list of countries by firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population in one year.
The following list includes suicides, accidental fatalities, and justifiable homicides.
Not included are suicides by other means, homicides by other means, accidental deaths by other means, and/or justifiable deaths by other means.
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Guns & Guitars.... says it all really
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@donsteppa yeah not many on the places you'd want to live list...although if you are single Venezuela and Columbia do have some hotties, but not sure that off-sets the risk to ones life....