Cryptocurrencies
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@rembrandt said in Cryptocurrencies:
@damo ha! shows how little I know.
Just because one is qualified to remove a computer virus after a dodgy pornsite visit does not necessarily mean he can give sound financial advice.
So get on the ripple train then? Asking for a friend
I bought a whole bunch at 25c planning to switch it to ETH, but before I did it just skyrocketed before Xmas, reaching an all tim high of about 3.30. (All in USD). wish I'd sold as it's now fluctuating between $1 and .80. I believe it may have a big future, but could also be a shitcoin. Unlike the other coins, it wants to be an establishment coin used by banks and money transfer companies (monogram, western union etc). If it gets picked up in a big way it could be worth $10 - $100.
ETH is a safer bet, but probably doesn't have the same potential upside.
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@antipodean I've always thought the trading of Bitcoin lessens its ability to be a currency replacement, although I'm sure some crypto fanbois can explain to me why it doesn't.
The theft also counts against it considering one of the selling points used to be that crypto's were nearly un-stealable.
Planet Money had a podcast with a guy trying to find his Bitcoins, I wonder how many other people have just lot theirs to the ether because they lost their wallets/hard drives etc.
Great article, the 'other' uses of blockchain are interesting.
Nice work cashing in when you did!
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Started back in November when a mate of mine doubled his bonus on Bitcoin (BTC) and introduced me to arbitrage: Buy here at a price, sell there at a higher price, make a couple of hundred. Cleaned up $1200 in a fortnight that way, without risking more than $2K at a time.
How I long for those days
The goal for me was just a bit of extra income to stick into the mortgage. Having an offset at 4% is worth jack shit ($40 a month if you keep $10K in there) so this was a bit of a third income stream for the household. If I could make $200 a month, then awesome.
I've played with various coin since then, and sunk a bit more capital into it looking to hold on some promising smaller coin. At points I was up 20% overall but a couple of bad decisions on my part, followed by this market slump, have reduced me to about 30% of the initial (small) investment). I've researched the coin I've got, and they seem to have good use cases, so I'll HODL
until they come good. Plus I'm not going to sell in a crash - I'm not actually down until I sell out, right? Coin I've got:
Bitcoin (BTC) - got 0.1 of these just because of the fluctuations which it will overcome based on previous years.
Ripple (XRP) - got a couple of hundred of these. Described above by others. Looks interesting.
Power Ledger (POWR) - this was an ICO from a company in Australia doing blockchain energy trading. Very interesting and they have international partners and government backing.
Tron (TRX) - this one is probably the speccy - they're looking to create a new platform for putting consumer money into the hands of creators, and (like a lot of these things) taking out the middleman.Ultimately if you put your life savings into it, you risk every bit. And I'm not quite that dumb.
My goal at this point is to get back to parity, and start shifting money into the home loan to help shift that down a bit.
I think there are interesting applications of blockchain (see POWR above) and the decentralisation is why the banks hate it - instant payments were stopped here on quite a few exchanges over Christmas as the banks refused to play ball.
This article was interesting: https://hackernoon.com/popular-use-cases-of-blockchain-technology-you-need-to-know-df4e1905d373
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@nepia said in Cryptocurrencies:
Planet Money had a podcast with a guy trying to find his Bitcoins, I wonder how many other people have just lot theirs to the ether because they lost their wallets/hard drives etc.
There is a story about a guy who inadvertently threw away a hard drive with 7500 bitcoins. At their height, that would have been worth ~$150 million.
Great article, the 'other' uses of blockchain are interesting.
I'm really interested in the benefits it can provide which is fundamentally an incorruptible distributed database holding records of anything considered valuable. I'm pushing to have the digital transformation agency adopt and mandate its use for government services. having built the portal that DHS and ATO use, blockchain is an infinitely more scalable and neater solution. Add to the frequent outages the ATO has had, cabinets full of top secret documents being sold to second hand furniture stores etc. this should be a no-brainer.
Nice work cashing in when you did!
More luck than anything. I actually thought it would keep going up for another month or two but lost my nerve.
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@antipodean said in Cryptocurrencies:
More luck than anything. I actually thought it would keep going up for another month or two but lost my nerve.
Guy at work bought 200 NEO after a recommendation from a friend - sold 150 of them for 5x in January. Made about $20k
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I think there is money to be made in daytrading small amounts of your holdings. If you learn up some trading indicators and use 3-4 of non -interelated one's (as far as that is possible) then selling high and buying low in a day is possible. Takes balls (and PATIENCE) though.
80% of my holdings are in a cold wallet that I never touch.
The hour by hour swings are unbelievable compared to anything else I invest in.
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@damo said in Cryptocurrencies:
Takes balls (and PATIENCE) though.
Yep - and time. I've done stupid shit in haste, rather than holding my nerve and selling at what I think is a good price.
FOMO and FUD. They're real, and they're deadly.
Now I've just got an app with alerts for particular prices set up on it.
I'm still toying with putting another $1K in though - could pick up a stack more of the coin I've got, to help cover those losses once they start to come good.
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@nta said in Cryptocurrencies:
@damo said in Cryptocurrencies:
Takes balls (and PATIENCE) though.
Yep - and time. I've done stupid shit in haste, rather than holding my nerve and selling at what I think is a good price.
FOMO and FUD. They're real, and they're deadly.
Now I've just got an app with alerts for particular prices set up on it.
I'm still toying with putting another $1K in though - could pick up a stack more of the coin I've got, to help cover those losses once they start to come good.
Yes you gotta hold your nerve and remember that most surges are not breakouts and very few falls are crashes.
I would stick to some of the more reputable coins now. Some of these newer alt coins look like they might fold/be out and out scams.
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Heard good things about Gencoin, although whispers it is used by Russian Maria fir illegal shit....
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@taniwharugby there are a few of those around - promising privacy attracts criminal elements
BTC now below $8500
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@nta said in Cryptocurrencies:
BTC now below $8500
Supposedly on the back of Lloyds banning the buying of cryptos on their credit cards - presumably an important market segment!
Jesus! Those who maxxed out their credit cards to buy Bitcoin at $20K will be looking forward to getting this month's bill.
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@nta Yeah - I remember people doing the same thing back in 1987 when the share market was romping along.
We had a guy from a/the fledgling NZ futures exchange come to university and make a presentation on buying share futures. He was emphasizing how great the opportunity was, because you could "control" a shitload of share value, without actually having much cash yourself - which sounded quite appealing to a poor student. Luckily exams came up and I never got around to doing anything about buying in prior to the market crashing.
Buying futures on my credit card..... I'd still be paying it off!
I got a very cheap lesson in caution!
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Youtube has a number of people (in cars for some reason) lamenting their investment strategy:
I don't share investment tips for one obvious primary reason: It's not my area of expertise. Actually make that two: I don't want people blaming me.
What I will say is try to work out what value a coin provides, i.e. what solution does it present? That or trade on the ignorance of others.
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@antipodean said in Cryptocurrencies:
What I will say is try to work out what value a coin provides, i.e. what solution does it present?
Hence Power Ledger & Ripple being in my portfolio. Maybe they'll come off, maybe they won't.
But the base tech seems good, with a use case, and a future.
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@Tim I agree - they're talking about triangulation and peak forecasting and "5th-wave" bullshit, and it works maybe once or twice and suddenly everyone is honking down on that pipe and putting their belief in it.
Try to buy low-ish.
Try to sell high-ish.That's no different to anything else. Was talking to a mate about it on the weekend, who is a pretty smart financial cookie - he said that besides the lack of regulation in the classic sense, the fact that this is built mostly on human confidence, and the belief that a company's value is in what the share market says, crypto only differs from shares in that its fucking stupidly quick to move anywhere.
Companies are frequently over-valued on the share market. There is only so much actual money to go around - that's why stock market crashes = suicides.
Look at Tesla for a company whose market cap far exceeds their assets. Made a profit in ONE quarter BUT that doesn't scare people off.
