Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks
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@mariner4life said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
I read that list, thought it was a bit shit really. Would expect to read better on here.
Yeah a couple of them completely ignore the context ie. Injuries to multiple players.
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@mariner4life said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
I read that list, thought it was a bit shit really. Would expect to read better on here.
Scott Hamilton didn't even get a mention. Hats were eaten left right and wing when he got seclected!
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@mariner4life said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
I read that list, thought it was a bit shit really. Would expect to read better on here.
Of course you'd read better here. We're the Fern! 😁
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Comments by the outgoing Sorenson prompted this by Liam Napier...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12011824
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Which was in turn followed up by Gregor Paul
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12012553
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The rule should not be changed. Ever. The only advantage I could see is that it would lower the wage bill. But I don't think it would make the ABs any stronger if overseas players could be selected. There might be better rugby players available to the coaches, but with the logistics and all the rest that go with it, I doubt the team itself would be any better.
Paul is really in hyper-agressive mode these days, though - I don't really think calling them the "Maori All Blacks" or the "All Blacks Sevens" has partly killed off the ABs.
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@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
Which was in turn followed up by Gregor Paul
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12012553
WE'RE KILLING THE AURA!!!!!!
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I totally agree with Gregor Paul, it would be pure madness as we would see tens of ABs or future ABs leaving the country. See what happened to Brazilians in soccer. They have lost their aura and aren't feared any more. Their national team is far from being above the others now. And what about Super Rugby ? The NZ derbies would look like Mitre 10 Cup games !
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THe ONLY change I'd make to the eligibility rules (if there was one to be made) would be around allowing them to select players playing in an Aus or SA super team, but I'd only allow those who have a min of say 10 caps the option.
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@taniwharugby I disagree given what appears to be the quality of their coaching.
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@antipodean said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@taniwharugby I disagree given what appears to be the quality of their coaching.
Yep, coaching generally not as good at the moment, but woudl you exclude someone? Frees up someone like Adam Thompson to play for the Reds, but still be available for All Blacks
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@antipodean given the quality of some of the NZ coaches over the years, didn't hinder players then is that really so much of a big deal?
The only issue would be these AB camps they are having which would probably be a roadblock with other Unions.
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I don't see any advantage in allowing guys to play in SA or Aus. You might save a small amount on the Super rugby component of their salary but you would lose a lot of control over playing time, coaching and fitness. It would also weaken the NZ sides which isn't a good thing.
It's not as if we have an over supply of AB quality players who we can't fit into our sides. -
@taniwharugby said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
THe ONLY change I'd make to the eligibility rules (if there was one to be made) would be around allowing them to select players playing in an Aus or SA super team, but I'd only allow those who have a min of say 10 caps the option.
Why?
I prefer that each country use their own players in their own teams and can't see much benefit to the rule change.
The one thing I might consider is a temporary exemption for a couple of people to play for the Sunwolves in an effort to help build their competitiveness - but, probably not.
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@chris-b didn't say I was in favour of it, just that if they were to make a change, this would be where I could see a slim chance of it working and not killing off NZ Rugby, which would happen if they picked form anywhere.
I guess the theory is if they play for a SA team and are still eligible for ABs is better than if they head to Toulon and are not...although I guess playing for a SA/Aus/Argie/Japanese team doesn't alter the biggest issue for the SH players vs the NH counterparts - travel.
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@nzzp said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@antipodean said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@taniwharugby I disagree given what appears to be the quality of their coaching.
Yep, coaching generally not as good at the moment, but woudl you exclude someone? Frees up someone like Adam Thompson to play for the Reds, but still be available for All Blacks
Yes I would. No control over the workload, etc. I'd say it would be a different issue if we were in the position of Australia, importing talent and still being quite shite.
But if you let players leave en masse from the environment, then you remove those dictating the standards.
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@cgrant said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
I totally agree with Gregor Paul, it would be pure madness as we would see tens of ABs or future ABs leaving the country. See what happened to Brazilians in soccer. They have lost their aura and aren't feared any more. Their national team is far from being above the others now. And what about Super Rugby ? The NZ derbies would look like Mitre 10 Cup games !
As an aside, Super rugby as a competition has been broken for a few years, so that’s hardly something to hold on to.
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@act-crusader said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
@cgrant said in Defining Who We Are ... NZ All Blacks:
I totally agree with Gregor Paul, it would be pure madness as we would see tens of ABs or future ABs leaving the country. See what happened to Brazilians in soccer. They have lost their aura and aren't feared any more. Their national team is far from being above the others now. And what about Super Rugby ? The NZ derbies would look like Mitre 10 Cup games !
As an aside, Super rugby as a competition has been broken for a few years, so that’s hardly something to hold on to.
Super rugby may be broken in terms of competition structure but having strong NZ super rugby teams is major reason the ABs are so strong.
