Chiefs v Highlanders
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BB had an excellent year in 2016. He was easily better than Cruden.
I don't think it's a coincidence that he played most of his tests in 2016 with Crotty in the 12 jersey.
Most tests in 2017, he played alongside SBW, who's quite average most of the time at 12 for the ABs.In June this year, I'd really like to see them bring Crotty back to 12, but I guess it won't happen unless SBW is injured ... (and Crotty obviously needs to be fit as well). And even then, they may opt to play Laumape at 12 instead.
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@chester-draws Yes, very young, but just old enough to have seen Earle Kirton play.
Those guys you list might have been better than Beauden if they'd played in the professional era and benefited from modern training and conditioning, but they would not be close to playing as All Blacks today. Most of them would be too small for a start.
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By that token Bradman would be a decent club player.
Mark Spitz would not be guaranteed to win the women's final (seriously, they are now half a second off him at his peak). He'd not qualify for the men's.
You simply cannot measure like that. DMac would be an all-time great based on that criteria.
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@chester-draws They are standing on the shoulders of giants.
It is reality though. We are watching the "best" sportsmen who have ever lived - and in 50 years there will doubtless be a better crop.
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@chester-draws said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
By that token Bradman would be a decent club player.
Mark Spitz would not be guaranteed to win the women's final (seriously, they are now half a second off him at his peak). He'd not qualify for the men's.
You simply cannot measure like that. DMac would be an all-time great based on that criteria.
Apples and Oranges. Cricket is a non contact sport. Ridiculous comparison. Even boxing is questionable.
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@stargazer said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
BB had an excellent year in 2016. He was easily better than Cruden.
I don't think it's a coincidence that he played most of his tests in 2016 with Crotty in the 12 jersey.
Most tests in 2017, he played alongside SBW, who's quite average most of the time at 12 for the ABs.In June this year, I'd really like to see them bring Crotty back to 12, but I guess it won't happen unless SBW is injured ... (and Crotty obviously needs to be fit as well). And even then, they may opt to play Laumape at 12 instead.
I don't think anyone has ever disputed that - but in the previous years Cruden was a better 10 than Beaudan - which I think is partly Chester's point.
I don't think a 10s rating should be based on who plays at 12. Last year BB wasn't as good as the year before because he personally wasn't playing as well.
Re: rating players, we don't rate players on how they'd stack up in the modern game, that's a silly way to do it, you have to rate them on how good they were in their era. Meads wouldn't be a lock today but he was the best lock of his era - his greatness doesn't diminish because of that. We're never going to see a head to head of these players so lets not pretend they all have to be judged on the most current modern standards.
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
I also think JB is the most overrated player in NZ, probably the most overrated in a while
I thought maybe i over did this statement. But then i saw this article.
Jodie Barrett is the bestest thing ever you guys like totally
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@mariner4life I feel that understates things somewhat.
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@mariner4life GOAT.
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@no-quarter said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@mariner4life GOAT.
Better than the Ghost of Charlie Ngatai?
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Being at the ground last week you can see why the hype is there for JB. He is huge, skillful, has a good rugby brain and as mentioned his defense has really improved. However, some of the media around him is bordering on ridiculous. Just let the kid play and develop.
