Tauranga Bella Vista Situation
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@jegga said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
Danny Cancian the builder of those houses has an “ interesting “ past , some of it comes up with google some doesn’t.
If you know of him from his time on the Kapiti coast seeing him up to his eyeballs in the shit again is not exactly a surprise.
Totally true. His shady actions have camouflaged alot of the other incompetence. Just blame the shift developer!
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@virgil said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
Local councils always have a their hands out demanding $$$, but as soon as something goes pear shaped or major issues arise ( leaky home cluster fuck) they scurry like rats and try their best to divert the blame.
That is exactly the point Virg. If the council want to charge massive fees to ensure building safety and compliance, then they have to be culpable when there is a fuck up and the building isn't safe or compliant.
I wonder what happens to a building inspector that signs of on a property that is later proven to be defective?
I do blame a lot of modern architecture for leaky homes - but that is a different argument.
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@snowy said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
I wonder what happens to a building inspector that signs of on a property that is later proven to be defective?
That my issue with this.. they have not been proven to be defective.
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defective workmanship or a defective product are obviously quite different things.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
@snowy said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
I wonder what happens to a building inspector that signs of on a property that is later proven to be defective?
That my issue with this.. they have not been proven to be defective.
Understand. It does sound like a dodgy developer, maybe a corrupt inspector, have put together something that the council don't trust rather than is actually a problem. The home owners get screwed.
I really wish I hadn't read this given where I am at with my build. Fortunately no dodgy developer, other than me.
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@taniwharugby said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
defective workmanship or a defective product are obviously quite different things.
They are talking workmanship here I believe.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
@mariner4life said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
They were shut down on a flimsy excuse and now people are just looking for excuses
what do you mean by that?
The people were kicked out because supposedly the houses were unsafe, ALOT has come out showing that those who declared them unsafe (like the fuckstick I dealt with) were just incompetent. The suposed issues were not issues, and indeed after a lot of rain.. nothing has eroded or collapsed. And supposed drainage issue were not actually drainage issues at all.
Alot of geo techs have come and stated that the houses are perfectly fine, but now everyone is firmly painted into corners.
Imagine when you built your house and someone came long form the council the day before a big storm and declared it unsafe because of XXX would be a disatster after heavy rain, you left, other geo techs said nah it is ok, but the council would not listen because they are now scared. Eventually months later after a lot of rain and XXX easily surviving and no damage occurring to your house.... the council still wont budge.right, gotcha.
How old are the houses?
Even if the people are allowed back in, what are the insurance companies going to do to them?
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
I have nothing good to say about the council. Went thought he process of building last year.. clusterfuck. All caused by the same guy who is slow walking nearly every consent in Tga. He i an external consultant based in Hamilton and he is an incompetent fuckstick.
He tried to chuck a section 72 on our title. Totally and utterly unjustified and eventually after great hassle he was over ruled. His company is paid based on how many issues he can 'create'.
There is nothing wrong with those Bella Vista homes IMO. They were shut down on a flimsy excuse and now people are just looking for excuses.I must be the only dumb one replying as I thought I would see someone else asking.
What is a section 72??
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@hooroo it is where the land is prone to flooding, stability etc.
Think on older properties is a section 36 (will show on your Certificate of Title)
All it means is that when you build you have to get a Engineers report to show that what you are doing and how the risk will be mitigated.
Of particular note is many coastal properties now have to be built at a higher than normal ground level due to global warming and rising seas.
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@taniwharugby said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
@hooroo it is where the land is prone to flooding, stability etc.
Think on older properties is a section 36 (will show on your Certificate of Title)
All it means is that when you build you have to get a Engineers report to show that what you are doing and how the risk will be mitigated.
Of particular note is many coastal properties now have to be built at a higher than normal ground level due to global warming and rising seas.
be very very careful and get legal advice. As @taniwharugby it inidicates there is a natural hazard that affects the site. This usually means that you can't get insurance, and if you can't get insurance, you usually can't get a mortgage.
So, be very careful. Get legal advice.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2004/0072/latest/DLM306819.html -
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And the cost of buying the houses plus the extensive legal costs of this have just been dumped on Taurangas ratepayers .
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12065714
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@jegga said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
And the cost of buying the houses plus the extensive legal costs of this have just been dumped on Taurangas ratepayers .
alternatively
The Council are wearing the cost of not meeting their legal obligations under the Building Act and permitting houses to be built that are not safe to occupy.
When cockups liek this occur, no one comes out ahead. It's going to be $10M for Council, which is the thick end of a hundred bucks a household I'd say. Expensive stuff up.
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@nzzp said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
@jegga said in Tauranga Bella Vista Situation:
And the cost of buying the houses plus the extensive legal costs of this have just been dumped on Taurangas ratepayers .
alternatively
The Council are wearing the cost of not meeting their legal obligations under the Building Act and permitting houses to be built that are not safe to occupy.
When cockups liek this occur, no one comes out ahead. It's going to be $10M for Council, which is the thick end of a hundred bucks a household I'd say. Expensive stuff up.
Unfortunately the council aren’t really wearing anything, the ratepayers are being stuck with the tab for this . It’d be interesting to know where Cancian got a hold of $1.3 million in cash .
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@mokey they will have insurance, I doubt it has changed but there is an Insurer for all the councils (set up by the Govt originally I believe)
But as above, if it comes back to faulty products the council were not aware of, then that wont be on the concils insurer, but will inevitably fall to rate payers to foot the bill as these shonky developers no doubt just go bankrupt and start again in another guise somewhere else.
The developers should have thier own cover as well, as do the designers, architects, builders etc...but then that would have meant the council did thier due diligence making sure contractors had the appropriate cover too.
The exposure to risk on a large development it just mind boggling
