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@rembrandt the worrying bit is trotting out words like heteronormative and implying it is bad. The clue is in the word. Accepting that something is normal doesn’t mean that you’re a bigot or that you won’t accept anything else. But that’s not the way the wind is blowing.
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@rembrandt said in British Politics:
There is one party that stands against this madness. I haven't read their new manifesto but I was about 95% on board with their last. They are certainly not the boogeymen media outlets are trying to tell us.
That host was horrendous
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@baron-silas-greenback I believe the correct term is msmnormative.
The hits keep coming, hot on the heels of the 'I am soldier x' campaign.
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@jc said in British Politics:
@rembrandt the worrying bit is trotting out words like heteronormative and implying it is bad. The clue is in the word. Accepting that something is normal doesn’t mean that you’re a bigot or that you won’t accept anything else. But that’s not the way the wind is blowing.
On the other hand they are just further destroying their credibility by buying into such nonsense . I wouldn’t be surprised if a survey in the Uk had a similar result to the one on the states ie 80% of people surveyed are sick of this bullshit .
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@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@kirwan said in British Politics:
Good summation of the slow death of sanity in the UK.
Yep, he nails it.
Baron, I’ll be freaked out when people agree this is a good course of action.
The UK police need a better PR team.
You will be freaked out when people agree that this is a good course of action??
They already do.. the MSM, govt, police and army..... how many more do you need?
It is already more than enough, when a vocal and militant minority including govt, army police and MSM officials think it is a good course of action, and the vast majority just sleepwalk along with fatal banality. The time to freak out is when this shite is being enforced not when the majority agree with it. You think police states start with a majority wanting a police state? Seriously?
The UK populace needs to wake the fuck up. I lived in the UK for a long time, I wouldn't want to go there again, and I wouldn't see my kids going there and def not growing up there.I think you are being chicken little.
I don’t agree with these things happening at all. But it seems unless I’m prepared to lose my shit over it, freak out and explode into a rage, then I’m just a sleepwalker who needs to wake the fuck up.
It’s a shame you won’t visit - you’d actually learn what the true population thinks, not just what was is presented by media - msm or independent.
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@rembrandt said in British Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback I believe the correct term is msmnormative.
The hits keep coming, hot on the heels of the 'I am soldier x' campaign.
Again, dumb decision slammed.
They are always slammed and often ignored.
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@majorrage said in British Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@kirwan said in British Politics:
Good summation of the slow death of sanity in the UK.
Yep, he nails it.
Baron, I’ll be freaked out when people agree this is a good course of action.
The UK police need a better PR team.
You will be freaked out when people agree that this is a good course of action??
They already do.. the MSM, govt, police and army..... how many more do you need?
It is already more than enough, when a vocal and militant minority including govt, army police and MSM officials think it is a good course of action, and the vast majority just sleepwalk along with fatal banality. The time to freak out is when this shite is being enforced not when the majority agree with it. You think police states start with a majority wanting a police state? Seriously?
The UK populace needs to wake the fuck up. I lived in the UK for a long time, I wouldn't want to go there again, and I wouldn't see my kids going there and def not growing up there.I think you are being chicken little.
I don’t agree with these things happening at all. But it seems unless I’m prepared to lose my shit over it, freak out and explode into a rage, then I’m just a sleepwalker who needs to wake the fuck up.
It’s a shame you won’t visit - you’d actually learn what the true population thinks, not just what was is presented by media - msm or independent.
What the true population think is irrelevant. Surely you realise that now?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@kirwan said in British Politics:
Good summation of the slow death of sanity in the UK.
Yep, he nails it.
Baron, I’ll be freaked out when people agree this is a good course of action.
The UK police need a better PR team.
You will be freaked out when people agree that this is a good course of action??
They already do.. the MSM, govt, police and army..... how many more do you need?
It is already more than enough, when a vocal and militant minority including govt, army police and MSM officials think it is a good course of action, and the vast majority just sleepwalk along with fatal banality. The time to freak out is when this shite is being enforced not when the majority agree with it. You think police states start with a majority wanting a police state? Seriously?
The UK populace needs to wake the fuck up. I lived in the UK for a long time, I wouldn't want to go there again, and I wouldn't see my kids going there and def not growing up there.I think you are being chicken little.
I don’t agree with these things happening at all. But it seems unless I’m prepared to lose my shit over it, freak out and explode into a rage, then I’m just a sleepwalker who needs to wake the fuck up.
It’s a shame you won’t visit - you’d actually learn what the true population thinks, not just what was is presented by media - msm or independent.
What the true population think is irrelevant. Surely you realise that now?
Well, we’d be staying in the EU if that was the case.
True brexiteers would agree with you though.
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@majorrage said in British Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@kirwan said in British Politics:
Good summation of the slow death of sanity in the UK.
Yep, he nails it.
Baron, I’ll be freaked out when people agree this is a good course of action.
The UK police need a better PR team.
You will be freaked out when people agree that this is a good course of action??
They already do.. the MSM, govt, police and army..... how many more do you need?
It is already more than enough, when a vocal and militant minority including govt, army police and MSM officials think it is a good course of action, and the vast majority just sleepwalk along with fatal banality. The time to freak out is when this shite is being enforced not when the majority agree with it. You think police states start with a majority wanting a police state? Seriously?
The UK populace needs to wake the fuck up. I lived in the UK for a long time, I wouldn't want to go there again, and I wouldn't see my kids going there and def not growing up there.I think you are being chicken little.
I don’t agree with these things happening at all. But it seems unless I’m prepared to lose my shit over it, freak out and explode into a rage, then I’m just a sleepwalker who needs to wake the fuck up.
It’s a shame you won’t visit - you’d actually learn what the true population thinks, not just what was is presented by media - msm or independent.
I have a lot of British friends, lived there for quite awhile and have talked to many of them alot about this topic., you can gather opinions without visiting.So you can take your pithy comment about 'true population' (whatever that even means) and stow it.
I am not asking you to lose your shit, but I do think you need to just wake up.You acknowledge these decisions are bad,.... but dont think they matter? Why not? Because not enough people are getting prosecuted? How many will be to much? I say 1. What say you?
Maybe you do think they matter? Then why so nonchalant? Because it hasnt really effected you yet?My guess is that you are just in denial because you have held a position of trust in the establishment for so long that to admit you had it wrong would be really hard, especially as you would be forced to agree with people you REALLY dont want to agree with with... people like me. Don't worry Siam and Rembrandt went through the same thing.
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@majorrage said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@kirwan said in British Politics:
Good summation of the slow death of sanity in the UK.
Yep, he nails it.
Baron, I’ll be freaked out when people agree this is a good course of action.
The UK police need a better PR team.
You will be freaked out when people agree that this is a good course of action??
They already do.. the MSM, govt, police and army..... how many more do you need?
It is already more than enough, when a vocal and militant minority including govt, army police and MSM officials think it is a good course of action, and the vast majority just sleepwalk along with fatal banality. The time to freak out is when this shite is being enforced not when the majority agree with it. You think police states start with a majority wanting a police state? Seriously?
The UK populace needs to wake the fuck up. I lived in the UK for a long time, I wouldn't want to go there again, and I wouldn't see my kids going there and def not growing up there.I think you are being chicken little.
I don’t agree with these things happening at all. But it seems unless I’m prepared to lose my shit over it, freak out and explode into a rage, then I’m just a sleepwalker who needs to wake the fuck up.
It’s a shame you won’t visit - you’d actually learn what the true population thinks, not just what was is presented by media - msm or independent.
What the true population think is irrelevant. Surely you realise that now?
Well, we’d be staying in the EU if that was the case.
True brexiteers would agree with you though.
Very poor example. Almost nothing gets put to a referendum. When is the true population going to put a stop to this bullshit?
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@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@kirwan said in British Politics:
Good summation of the slow death of sanity in the UK.
Yep, he nails it.
Baron, I’ll be freaked out when people agree this is a good course of action.
The UK police need a better PR team.
You will be freaked out when people agree that this is a good course of action??
They already do.. the MSM, govt, police and army..... how many more do you need?
It is already more than enough, when a vocal and militant minority including govt, army police and MSM officials think it is a good course of action, and the vast majority just sleepwalk along with fatal banality. The time to freak out is when this shite is being enforced not when the majority agree with it. You think police states start with a majority wanting a police state? Seriously?
The UK populace needs to wake the fuck up. I lived in the UK for a long time, I wouldn't want to go there again, and I wouldn't see my kids going there and def not growing up there.I think you are being chicken little.
I don’t agree with these things happening at all. But it seems unless I’m prepared to lose my shit over it, freak out and explode into a rage, then I’m just a sleepwalker who needs to wake the fuck up.
It’s a shame you won’t visit - you’d actually learn what the true population thinks, not just what was is presented by media - msm or independent.
I have a lot of British friends, lived there for quite awhile and have talked to many of them alot about this topic., you can gather opinions without visiting.So you can take your pithy comment about 'true population' (whatever that even means) and stow it.
Are your British pals all about to leave? Or have they already left? You said you’d refuse to visit, so I think my point is pretty fair. And I assume you are too smart to have friends too ill informed to live here.
I am not asking you to lose your shit, but I do think you need to just wake up.
And do what exactly? Join a group? Start a protest? Or just agree with you?
You acknowledge these decisions are bad,.... but dont think they matter? Why not? Because not enough people are getting prosecuted? How many will be to much? I say 1. What say you?
Did I say they don’t matter? I agree 1 is too many.
Maybe you do think they matter? Then why so nonchalant? Because it hasnt really effected you yet?
Nonchalant because I’m not if the view the sky is falling? You hold a pretty extreme view in my opinion of the ramifications on these decisions.
I believe when the wider population shows any sort of agreement with them, then the issue is larger.
My guess is that you are just in denial because you have held a position of trust in the establishment for so long that to admit you had it wrong would be really hard, especially as you would be forced to agree with people you REALLY dont want to agree with with... people like me. Don't worry Siam and Rembrandt went through the same thing.
So void of fact, truth or even a reasonable assumption it’s not worth a response.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@kirwan said in British Politics:
Good summation of the slow death of sanity in the UK.
Yep, he nails it.
Baron, I’ll be freaked out when people agree this is a good course of action.
The UK police need a better PR team.
You will be freaked out when people agree that this is a good course of action??
They already do.. the MSM, govt, police and army..... how many more do you need?
It is already more than enough, when a vocal and militant minority including govt, army police and MSM officials think it is a good course of action, and the vast majority just sleepwalk along with fatal banality. The time to freak out is when this shite is being enforced not when the majority agree with it. You think police states start with a majority wanting a police state? Seriously?
The UK populace needs to wake the fuck up. I lived in the UK for a long time, I wouldn't want to go there again, and I wouldn't see my kids going there and def not growing up there.I think you are being chicken little.
I don’t agree with these things happening at all. But it seems unless I’m prepared to lose my shit over it, freak out and explode into a rage, then I’m just a sleepwalker who needs to wake the fuck up.
It’s a shame you won’t visit - you’d actually learn what the true population thinks, not just what was is presented by media - msm or independent.
What the true population think is irrelevant. Surely you realise that now?
Well, we’d be staying in the EU if that was the case.
True brexiteers would agree with you though.
Very poor example. Almost nothing gets put to a referendum. When is the true population going to put a stop to this bullshit?
A poor example as it goes against your rhetoric?
Read the daily mail article posted about poppies. The true population is not accepting this bullshit.
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@majorrage said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@kirwan said in British Politics:
Good summation of the slow death of sanity in the UK.
Yep, he nails it.
Baron, I’ll be freaked out when people agree this is a good course of action.
The UK police need a better PR team.
You will be freaked out when people agree that this is a good course of action??
They already do.. the MSM, govt, police and army..... how many more do you need?
It is already more than enough, when a vocal and militant minority including govt, army police and MSM officials think it is a good course of action, and the vast majority just sleepwalk along with fatal banality. The time to freak out is when this shite is being enforced not when the majority agree with it. You think police states start with a majority wanting a police state? Seriously?
The UK populace needs to wake the fuck up. I lived in the UK for a long time, I wouldn't want to go there again, and I wouldn't see my kids going there and def not growing up there.I think you are being chicken little.
I don’t agree with these things happening at all. But it seems unless I’m prepared to lose my shit over it, freak out and explode into a rage, then I’m just a sleepwalker who needs to wake the fuck up.
It’s a shame you won’t visit - you’d actually learn what the true population thinks, not just what was is presented by media - msm or independent.
What the true population think is irrelevant. Surely you realise that now?
Well, we’d be staying in the EU if that was the case.
True brexiteers would agree with you though.
Very poor example. Almost nothing gets put to a referendum. When is the true population going to put a stop to this bullshit?
A poor example as it goes against your rhetoric?
Read the daily mail article posted about poppies. The true population is not accepting this bullshit.
What? The point is that the true population rarely get to have their say and even then those in power will do their utmost to stop it from happening. Case in point: Brexit.
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@rancid-schnitzel so your a true brexiteer then ... ?
How is this different to the rest of the planet?
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@majorrage said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel so your a true brexiteer then ... ?
How is this different to the rest of the planet?
What? The whole point is that what the true population think or want is irrelevant if those in power or positions of influence wish to impose something on them.
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I think @MajorRage point seems to boil down to "these things are bad but not enough people care yet so it doesnt matter".
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@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@kirwan said in British Politics:
Good summation of the slow death of sanity in the UK.
Yep, he nails it.
Baron, I’ll be freaked out when people agree this is a good course of action.
The UK police need a better PR team.
You will be freaked out when people agree that this is a good course of action??
They already do.. the MSM, govt, police and army..... how many more do you need?
It is already more than enough, when a vocal and militant minority including govt, army police and MSM officials think it is a good course of action, and the vast majority just sleepwalk along with fatal banality. The time to freak out is when this shite is being enforced not when the majority agree with it. You think police states start with a majority wanting a police state? Seriously?
The UK populace needs to wake the fuck up. I lived in the UK for a long time, I wouldn't want to go there again, and I wouldn't see my kids going there and def not growing up there.I think you are being chicken little.
I don’t agree with these things happening at all. But it seems unless I’m prepared to lose my shit over it, freak out and explode into a rage, then I’m just a sleepwalker who needs to wake the fuck up.
It’s a shame you won’t visit - you’d actually learn what the true population thinks, not just what was is presented by media - msm or independent.
What the true population think is irrelevant. Surely you realise that now?
Well, we’d be staying in the EU if that was the case.
True brexiteers would agree with you though.
Very poor example. Almost nothing gets put to a referendum. When is the true population going to put a stop to this bullshit?
A poor example as it goes against your rhetoric?
Read the daily mail article posted about poppies. The true population is not accepting this bullshit.
What? The point is that the true population rarely get to have their say and even then those in power will do their utmost to stop it from happening. Case in point: Brexit.
Not so sure about that RS. Referendums are rare but there are other ways that a wider voice can be demonstrated. Much of it is pretty lame, Facebook petitions and the like. But there is the option to place a petition to the government (Downing St I think) providing you have enough signatures. True this rarely amounts to much but likely due to the triviality of the petition. However the mechanism is there. Probably more powerful is when a mainstream newspaper gets a good grip on the zeitgeist and launches a campaign that is actually based on a groundswell feeling rather than something the editor has got sand in his panties over. In the UK over the years we’ve had loads of stupid stuff like the illustrations below and in truth it rarely gets anywhere. The difference now is the ability for the stupidity to spread which is much greater. To counter that though the ability to debunk such stupidity is also that much greater.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in British Politics:
I think @MajorRage point seems to boil down to "these things are bad but not enough people care yet so it doesnt matter".
Cause when has that ever gone wrong before....Not even close. The opposite is almost spot on.
What is up with your comprehension??
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@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel so your a true brexiteer then ... ?
How is this different to the rest of the planet?
What? The whole point is that what the true population think or want is irrelevant if those in power or positions of influence wish to impose something on them.
Yes, and my initial riposte was that Brexit proves against that. May is absolutely clear her view of no re-vote as that goes against British democracy. and Brexit must go ahead. Which is clearly in contrast to what you say.
You could of course argue the Boris Johnson view in that it's not a real Brexit and she's in contrast yet again of this. Well, I'm afraid there is no easy solution there which is part of the wider issue - you can't please everybody, so who do you please and who do you piss off?
The borders will be back in control, which is what I believe most of the vote came from, and hence I think if she can deliver that, as well as keeping as many of the jobs here as possible, then she's done a half decent job. Just my view though. I've veered off topic enough anyway.
Your thoughts on people in power imposing things they don't want, well, I don't see Britain as any better or worse than any other country - and thats kind of one of the prices of the democratic governance we all abide by. And free speech allows all of us to question that. And hence why the movements that exist, do exist.
And I have a higher level of comfort than others as "the people" are not lying down and accepting these idiotic things. There's a massive difference between a govt imposing idiotic things which bear no real relevance to common sense, logic, people safety, people best interests and the people following blindly along, and the situation in the UK.
It ain't North Korea ... it ain't even close.
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@majorrage said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in British Politics:
@majorrage said in British Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel so your a true brexiteer then ... ?
How is this different to the rest of the planet?
What? The whole point is that what the true population think or want is irrelevant if those in power or positions of influence wish to impose something on them.
Yes, and my initial riposte was that Brexit proves against that. May is absolutely clear her view of no re-vote as that goes against British democracy. and Brexit must go ahead. Which is clearly in contrast to what you say.
You could of course argue the Boris Johnson view in that it's not a real Brexit and she's in contrast yet again of this. Well, I'm afraid there is no easy solution there which is part of the wider issue - you can't please everybody, so who do you please and who do you piss off?
The borders will be back in control, which is what I believe most of the vote came from, and hence I think if she can deliver that, as well as keeping as many of the jobs here as possible, then she's done a half decent job. Just my view though. I've veered off topic enough anyway.
Your thoughts on people in power imposing things they don't want, well, I don't see Britain as any better or worse than any other country - and thats kind of one of the prices of the democratic governance we all abide by. And free speech allows all of us to question that. And hence why the movements that exist, do exist.
And I have a higher level of comfort than others as "the people" are not lying down and accepting these idiotic things. There's a massive difference between a govt imposing idiotic things which bear no real relevance to common sense, logic, people safety, people best interests and the people following blindly along, and the situation in the UK.
It ain't North Korea ... it ain't even close.
You've obviously missed the point so I'm not even going to bother. North Korea ffs.
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