Message to Joe Schmidt
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@bovidae According to this piece, Andy Farrell might get the Ireland job if Joe Schmidt leaves.
Five coaches Ireland could consider if Joe Schmidt decides to walk
Ireland head coach Joe Schmidt will reportedly decide on his future next week with New Zealand emerging as a strong suitor.
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@sparky said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@snowy Can't see a massive difference between him coaching Ireland and Ted and Steve Hansen coaching Wales before moving to the All Blacks.
To coach a side from 8th to 2nd (nearly top) of the World Ranking is some achievement for Mr Schmidt.
So you CAN change the team culture and get results at the same time! Who knew???!!!
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Who would want to be the next coach of the ABs??
Unless next year completely falls in a heap, you have to follow a guy that has been either assistant or head coach through the greatest period of dominance the sport has ever seen, regardless of the world cup result next year.
You come in, and you either continue in the same manner, as everyone expects, and you cop shit for every minor setback. Or the team drops away, and you get blamed for burning the legacy. How the fuck do you win.
If we win the Cup it's even worse.
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@bones said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@sparky said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@snowy Can't see a massive difference between him coaching Ireland and Ted and Steve Hansen coaching Wales before moving to the All Blacks.
How many wins did Wales get?
I just remember Ted being hailed as the Great Redeemer only to be cast out not long after
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@canefan said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@bones said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@sparky said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@snowy Can't see a massive difference between him coaching Ireland and Ted and Steve Hansen coaching Wales before moving to the All Blacks.
How many wins did Wales get?
I just remember Ted being hailed as the Great Redeemer only to be cast out not long after
Henry did well for Wales but Hansen really didn't.
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Which one of Hansen and Ted helped drive the changes in Welsh rugby? Didn't one (or both) get credit for righting that structure?
I'd be keen to see schmidt take the reins, potentially with razor in his team. Too early for razor imo, but he'll be in the mix soon. -
@bovidae said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@hydro11 said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
Henry did well for Wales but Hansen really didn't.
That's being kind. Only 10 wins in 29 tests, and much worse than the coaches before and after him.
To be fair, he was handed a huge shit sandwich. It's not like Henry left the joint in good nick.
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@rancid-schnitzel “handed”, you make it sound like he went into it without any knowledge of where things were at.
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@act-crusader said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@rancid-schnitzel “handed”, you make it sound like he went into it without any knowledge of where things were at.
Great chance to cut your teeth in test rugby without seriously challenging home base
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@act-crusader said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@rancid-schnitzel “handed”, you make it sound like he went into it without any knowledge of where things were at.
I said no such thing. I'm merely saying his starting point was basement level. Henry had resigned because of poor performance and Hansen took over a team in a shit situation.
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@canefan said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@sparky said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@snowy Can't see a massive difference between him coaching Ireland and Ted and Steve Hansen coaching Wales before moving to the All Blacks.
To coach a side from 8th to 2nd (nearly top) of the World Ranking is some achievement for Mr Schmidt.
So you CAN change the team culture and get results at the same time! Who knew???!!!
But you already knew that, Rennie did it when he took over the basket case Chiefs.
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If you read between the lines ,
Ireland Rugby media dont sound too optimistic about keeping joe after the WC .
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@act-crusader said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@rancid-schnitzel “handed”, you make it sound like he went into it without any knowledge of where things were at.
I said no such thing. I'm merely saying his starting point was basement level. Henry had resigned because of poor performance and Hansen took over a team in a shit situation.
So to be fair, he took a job where he knew it was a bad situation and he left it in a bad situation.
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It should be written in stone, good for you coaching well overseas, but you gotta serve a few years in NZ before getting the top job, lest you've forgotten the culture and you bring your shit northern play to our glorious game.
Rugby cultures matter massively and Razor has got something that kiwi rugby players like, and respond to
Under 20s, Canterbury and Crusaders so far ( Barbarians too)
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