Has Hansen gone stale?
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@chester-draws you describing the Chiefs under Foster or the recent ABs?
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@crazy-horse This isn't poor selecting -- the Fern would agree with most of the current AB team.
Foster's Chiefs were a very different kettle of fish, with provincial bias for a start (something the recent ABs have largely avoided).
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@chester-draws stubborn selecting then? More than a few on here have questioned selections recently. Akira, SBW, NMS...
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@mofitzy_ said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Has there been any concrete interest in being the head coach from Foster? Or any mentions from Hansen or anyone at the NZRU?
I don't think there has been. It would be interesting to go back to the statements made when Foster was added as I think there was recognition all around that his strengths were in planning assistance and working with players rather than head coach areas.
Anyway the NZRU have shown their hand by providing Tana a path to slide away from the Blues and take up an AB coaching position.
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@mofitzy_ said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Has there been any concrete interest in being the head coach from Foster? Or any mentions from Hansen or anyone at the NZRU?
Yes, when Hansen resigned in 2016 he put his hand up and said that was his goal. He also said he had discussions with the NZRU around that time about whether he would need to go overseas in order to be a strong candidate.
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Ian Foster puts his hand up to replace Steve Hansen as All Blacks head coach
RugbySeptember 5, 2016 2:35am
Source: AAPALL Blacks assistant coach Ian Foster has put his hand up to succeed Steve Hansen as head coach of the world champions.
Hansen, who coached the All Blacks to a second successive World Cup win last year, signed a contract extension in August, which will have him in charge through to the 2019 tournament in Japan.
But former Waikato Chiefs stalwart Foster was open about his designs on the top job when it eventually becomes vacant.
Asked if he saw himself as an All Blacks head coach, Foster told Newstalk ZB: “I do from an ambition side, and I guess that’s part of the whole thought process for me.
“I love what I do, I love this group and it’s just a matter of thinking out, first and foremost, I want to do the best job I can with the role I’ve got right now, and secondly what do I need to do to make sure I can present myself and put my hand up and say I want to be a head coach for the All Blacks.“That’s part of the next conversation, really, to see what can I do in order do that.
“Do you need to go somewhere else to do that or can you do it by staying within? That’s all part of a conversation that’s a little bit ongoing at the moment.”Foster has precedent on his side, with Hansen stepping up to the head role after the 2011 World Cup after being an assistant coach to Graham Henry for seven years.
A formidable side under Henry, the All Blacks have only grown more dominant during Hansen’s tenure.
“There’s a strong logic to that (succession) and it’s one that’s worked well for the All Blacks,” said Foster, seen as one of New Zealand’s finest players to never earn an international cap.
“But to be the head coach of the All Blacks you’ve got to be the right person and the best person should get that job, whether it’s from inside or outside. I understand that.” -
@crazy-horse said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@chester-draws stubborn selecting then? More than a few on here have questioned selections recently. Akira, SBW, NMS...
So what you're saying is that since Foster entered the set-up, selections have got worse?
NMS is odd, but at least there's no-one else really hammering down the door. The ABs have always been slow to drop, and it's better now than it used to be.
SBW is definitely one of the best 2nd-fives in the country. I'd pick him to start, if he was fully fit, because he's the right answer to rush defence.
Akira is the sort of weird selection Foster used to make. I'd love to know his part in it.
Are you young? Because current selection issues are nothing compared to the weirdness of the past. With Foster we can expect a return to fullback at centre, and then staying there long after it has been shown not to work.
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@chester-draws Even if I don't agree with some selections there has been more consistency with Hansen, Foster and Fox as AB selectors than there was under Henry, Hansen and Smith. The latter group had a history of axing some players after a poor performance, but often lesser performing players were still retained. I'd put most of that on Henry based on the evidence across both tenures.
All coaches tend to show loyalty to their players and back themselves to get the best out of them if they aren't in the best form. In the current setup Hansen must have the final say on the forward selections with some input from Cron. I doubt Foster and Fox are the main reason behind the non-selection of Akira.
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@chester-draws no I am not saying the selections have gotten worse. I am saying the way you described the Chiefs (I presume you were describing them) under Foster, is similar to the way people have described the recent ABs at various times.
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A two year extension for Hansen with the announcement with the guarantee of retirement at the conclusion is best outcome for all parties IMO.
That window gives overseas candidates an opportunity to get their affairs in order and to be available while giving promising domestic candidates a more experience.
If 2019 goes pear shaped they can (and should) make wholesale changes to the support staff. If NZ goes this route Australia would be well advised to synchronize their coaching appointment to the same cycle as NZ.
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@rotated Poorly constructed joke on the idea that the ABs choked (let alone like dogs) in 95 rather than got beaten by a team with the irresistible force of history (and Suzie) on its side, a superior pack and the one defence in the tournament that could keep the ABs tryless.
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@smuts said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@rotated Poorly constructed joke on the idea that the ABs choked (let alone like dogs) in 95 rather than got beaten by a team with the irresistible force of history (and Suzie) on its side, a superior pack and the one defence in the tournament that could keep the ABs tryless.
By a drop goal. In extra time
Don't be needy smuts
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@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
By a drop goal. In extra time
against players that were vomiting on the sidelines.
Whether they were poisoned is a different matter, but they were sick (for whatever reason).
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2007, 99 & 2003 in that order are RWCs I care not to remember.
1991 we were never good enough, 1995 we were, but didnt.
1995 will sadly always have an asterix for Kiwi fans - illness, of which is undisputed.
1995 will be remembered by other fans as Kiwis claiming a conspiracy of poisoning. -
