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Those Oz ones from Nick and Nepia show almost no upload speed at all. The ISP must be choking the up to squeeze out as much down as they can. They will be screwed as soon as their customers wake up to the opportunities of cloud and providing services from uploading.

Virgil

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That's kind of the point. As the gap widens further there will be plenty of Oz dwellers deciding that maybe NZ is the place to run their business from.
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I would never consider living anywhere without decent speeds, its like checking the quality of the water and who your electricity supplier is.
 
Crucial is that ADSL2/VDSL or fibre your running off?

NTA

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Those Oz ones from Nick and Nepia show almost no upload speed at all. The ISP must be choking the up to squeeze out as much down as they can. They will be screwed as soon as their customers wake up to the opportunities of cloud and providing services from uploading.
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That's the idea behind NBN - the Fibre-To-The-Node plan is going to deliver minimal benefits to upload because copper. Fibre was meant to take us from Asymmetrical DSL to something more useful

Crucial

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Virgil" data-cid="465558" data-time="1418704923">I would never consider living anywhere without decent speeds, its like checking the quality of the water and who your electricity supplier is. 
Crucial is that ADSL2/VDSL or fibre your running off?</blockquote>
 
VDSL at about 300m from the cabinet. Around the maximums you'll get anyway. 
Nick, that is copper with FTTN. You don't need FTTH for decent speed but that's about the current limit.

antipodean

Crucial

I assume that is on coax is it Antipodean? I think they call is hybrid fibre over there. The stuff laid for cable TV originally like the Saturn/voda network in Welly and ChCh over here. 
Great speeds at present but little room for future improvements. Damn sight better than the shit Nick is getting.

antipodean

Nah, just VDSL2. Hopefully we'll be upgraded to fibre soon.

Crucial

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Nah, just VDSL2. Hopefully we'll be upgraded to fibre soon.
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That's a great profile for VDSL then. Must be close to the node for that (probably in building if a multi dwelling situation).
You don't really need fibre for some time at those speeds unless you are planning on live streaming your activities to the outside world in HD ;)
VOD is going to be by far the biggest driver in speed requirements and uptake. It won't be long until everyone in the house wants to be watching an HD stream of their selected viewing at the same time.
You need around 6Mbps dedicated to the stream for one HD show so ADSL speeds are going to struggle with multiple users. VOD providers also want to guarantee a certain quality for their subscribers so there is demand from the supply side as well.
We are certainly heading down the right path in NZ with FTTH. Lots of room for future proofing when you are building a network where you can't yet imagine the tech in a household that would get close to using the capacity you are providing.

Kirwan

I got my fibre a few weeks ago, and averages 90m down and 20m up. Reason I can't show my pretty picture? Bloody thing has been down since Friday. Sigh.

Crucial

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I would never consider living anywhere without decent speeds, its like checking the quality of the water and who your electricity supplier is.
 
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It's amazing how many people say that internet connection is vital for them yet don't check the situation before building/buying/moving.
There is often some idiot moaning in the paper about how he's trying to run a web based business from his home (which turns out to be a lifestyle block 3km out of town) yet struggles with international time zones conflicting with heavy usage periods on his ADSL connection etc etc. 
That's like trying to run a truck distribution depot from a property down an unsealed road, through a residential suburb and onto choked commuter routes. You simply wouldn't even attempt it. You'd put your depot close to the highway.
I would be very happy to leave Wellington and live in the backblocks in the South Island, contracting services for work for 3 days a week to support myself but to pitch a good business case to the boss for that I'd need a VDSL connection minimum.

Hooroo

I live in the sticks. I have watched them lay fibre across the road for the past month and it doesn't include us. Slightly frustrating as we are not on their plans. We have to utilise Vodafone Rural or whatever it is called. I need to organise that as we are on Telecom dross at the moment.

Crucial

That fibre is likely a backhaul from the Voda Rural Broadband tower. 
Using a roading analogy again it would be like asking for your own on ramp to the motorway that goes past your property 
Distance from a cabinet is the biggest decider in service. The closer you live to other people the more likely you'll be close to a cabinet

Hooroo

Nah it's the chorus stuff to the school down Highway 27

Crucial

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Nah it's the chorus stuff to the school down Highway 27
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If it's just RBI distribution fibre then, no, it can't be accessed, but in many cases it is RBI access fibre, which means that if you are willing to pay then you can be joined to it.
 
It's only luck if you are next to an access fibre though. Generally I think it's when the fibre from the node to the school or the Voda Tower passes you. On the access map there is nothing down SH27, that is likely to be the distribution fibre only. eg the node may well be right outside the school so there is little chance of latching on to it.
 
Basically the govt has commissioned the RBI to the towers and schools but the network builders have said that if you sit between the node and the tower/school then they are happy to connect you on. It would be silly to exclude you from it.
 
There's a pic on this page ( <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.chorus.co.nz/rural-broadband-initiative/fibre-in-rural-community/fibre-to-rural-communities-1'>https://www.chorus.co.nz/rural-broadband-initiative/fibre-in-rural-community/fibre-to-rural-communities-1</a> ) that kind of explains it. In the top of the pic you can see the little exchange building in the town with the distribution fibre coming in. Then the access fibre goes from there to the scholl but anyone in between can get on it as well. 
 
If you look at the map below that you can kind of see the pattern. Stretches of access fibre from the nodes to the end user, some very short, some long. It's all luck.

Hooroo

All the other side of the road have access as per chorus website. Just not our side

antipodean

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Hooroo" data-cid="465660" data-time="1418776877">All the other side of the road have access as per chorus website. Just not our side</blockquote> That's common for how it is rolled out. You could be on an entirely different exchange from the house directly across the road.

JC

I'm not in the sticks. No UltraVDSL, no Fibre, until at least 2016. So I get 5.75Mbps down, 0.64Mbps up, with a ping of 202ms. Appalling from Spark, all for only $129 per month.

Crucial

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All the other side of the road have access as per chorus website. Just not our side
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The key is if you are adjacent to the duct. So yes, the side of the road with the duct will be able to connect in but unless you have an existing duct carrying your copper from that side to your side then you are out of luck. In the future, it may be possible to run an overhead on existing overhead poles depending on agreement from whoever owns the poles on the road, but again if they are on the opposite side to the fibre you'll be out of luck.
 
The ISP you choose plays a big part in availability as well because of the equipment they have in the exchanges and whether it will talk to the chorus network in your area. Had a really confusing time over sorting out my parent's new place which was only just down the road from their old one in Papamoa. Being a new development it was set up fibre ready but Spark and other ISPs were saying they couldn't connect. Papamoa is in the area that UFF are building the UFB network so the ISPs have configured their fibre products to handshake with the UFF network. This particular development was started before the UFB rollout so is a lone blue dot on the Chorus map. Only Trustpower could get the chorus network to talk to their equipment in the nodes. The other ISPs hadn't arranged for it.

Crucial

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I'm not in the sticks. No UltraVDSL, no Fibre, until at least 2016. So I get 5.75Mbps down, 0.64Mbps up, with a ping of 202ms. Appalling from Spark, all for only $129 per month.
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At those speeds you are probably too far from the cabinet for VDSL. Call Spark and save yourself some $ though. An unlimited ADSL plan with landline is $109 ($89 if you ditch the landline). You must be on an old plan. They won't proactively change you.
If you are only getting under 6Mbps then it's unlikely you even need to go unlimited. 80GB is only $85 now.
Stop giving the bastards money they don't deserve.

Hooroo

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The key is if you are adjacent to the duct. So yes, the side of the road with the duct will be able to connect in but unless you have an existing duct carrying your copper from that side to your side then you are out of luck. In the future, it may be possible to run an overhead on existing overhead poles depending on agreement from whoever owns the poles on the road, but again if they are on the opposite side to the fibre you'll be out of luck.
 
The ISP you choose plays a big part in availability as well because of the equipment they have in the exchanges and whether it will talk to the chorus network in your area. Had a really confusing time over sorting out my parent's new place which was only just down the road from their old one in Papamoa. Being a new development it was set up fibre ready but Spark and other ISPs were saying they couldn't connect. Papamoa is in the area that UFF are building the UFB network so the ISPs have configured their fibre products to handshake with the UFF network. This particular development was started before the UFB rollout so is a lone blue dot on the Chorus map. Only Trustpower could get the chorus network to talk to their equipment in the nodes. The other ISPs hadn't arranged for it.
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YEs I agree it really is a shit process from a shit offshoot of telecom. You just put it in a long winded way.

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