NH Ditch Junior rep sides
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@Kirwan said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@canefan said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
Why can't they just keep both reps and the orange slice league? CF jnr's football club has rep teams and in house league teams. Then both levels of players can be happy
Far too sensible.
CF jnr is definitely orange slice level. He finds it hard playing in mixed teams where his better mates pass rarely. Those kids are all trying out for reps. I think one big league impairs the growth of all of the players, for opposing reasons
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@Kirwan rugby has always had a drop off in the teenage years, its just in recent times I think the number has increased, which will be the pressure from other activities, sports and gaming.
We have had 2 kids come back to rugby this season after a year off, but talking to another coach he said so far at U14 they have only had 10 confirm they will be playing, 3 of whom are from our team last year (season is still 2.5 months away from starting - we had 14 at our 2nd pre-season training this week)
As I said above, I really struggle to understand the logic and how this is supposed to encourage kids to stay in the sport, let alone return/start, if anything, I think it could have the opposite effect.
I am pretty sure only a very small number of the kids that make representative sides do not like making these teams (yes will be a few with pressure from parents, but this would happen whatever they do) whereas most enjoy and thrive on the experience, now if they have aspirations they head over the bridge to Auckland, up SH1 to Wellsford, or over to league or something else.
The research would be interesting to read to see what the sample size was, what measures etc
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@Kirwan said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Stargazer said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
I agree with @Chester-Draws and it has absolutely nothing to do with political correctness. The analysis is based on research. But we'll have to wait and see whether North Harbour has addressed the issue of decreasing player numbers with the right response (whether this will be a solution) to keep kids in rugby longer.
Not having seen the research, we can’t tell if the conclusions were valid or not.
It’s a fact that player numbers are decreasing, but is that to do with rep teams or the modern life impact on children’s activity levels?
It stinks of PC participation bollocks, and with the infestation of extreme leftist views in academia I’d want to take a very thorough look at the methodology used before throwing away pathways for kids to excel.
Remember too that’s Rugby is not popular with certain types and is seen as representing made up issues like toxic masculinity.
It's this kind of nonsense why I don't go to the politics threads.
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They talk about making things 'fun' for the kids and go down the participation route to achieve this. What about the kids that are like I was, highly competitive and get their fun from competing to win? Anything that wasn't competitive I found boring and I walked away from it? I still do nowadays.
I remember back in the 80s being stopped from playing sport at my primary school because I was too competitive and the other kids were getting upset (especially when the only person I let win, and therefore stay 'in', was the cute girl with brown eyes, big lips and long legs - it worked because I got more than my share of kisses out of her 😀). I would hate to think how bad it has become for competitive kids now.
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@taniwharugby said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
As I said above, I really struggle to understand the logic and how this is supposed to encourage kids to stay in the sport, let alone return/start, if anything, I think it could have the opposite effect.
They seem to be saying that those who miss out are disappointed, and less likely to stay in. Therefore, by removing the (very young) talent pathway, they hope to keep more people on till later.
Not sure if it works, but good luck to them for trying. Being aspirational is all good, but at 11, dollars to donuts it's the parents with unrealistic expectations. I still cringe at the thought of some parents of another cricket club videotaping their six year old batting to work on it later. Other teams were getting growled at and shamed by their coach ... betting the drop out rate is high there
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@nzzp so like everything in life then? Not rewarding excellence and hard work?
As I have said before, I have coached my sons team now into my 8th year, and I can tell you when they were 5 and adults werent keeping score, the kids knew who won, how many tries everyone got and couldn't understand why the ref was taking it easy on the other team when they were thrashing them.
The sub-union TR Jnr made last year was a big deal for him, more so as he almost had to pull out after injuring himself weeks prior and being put in a cast as a pre-caution, shoulda seen the disappointment in his face when the Dr said he was putting a cast on and he realised that there was a chance he wouldnt be able to play the tournament, almost broke my heart.
Fuck, its be great if my boy was awesome, but he isnt, I know he is better than he thinks he is, but he will not make a career out of rugby and playing that last year will likely be his ceiling in terms of rep rugby, so seeing how much it meant to him, I know denying other kids that opportunity seems wrong to me.
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@taniwharugby said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@nzzp so like everything in life then? Not rewarding excellence and hard work?
I think that's an over-reaction. At 11, it's not usually hard work, but more like early growers or people born early in the year.
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@Stargazer said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Kirwan said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Stargazer said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
I agree with @Chester-Draws and it has absolutely nothing to do with political correctness. The analysis is based on research. But we'll have to wait and see whether North Harbour has addressed the issue of decreasing player numbers with the right response (whether this will be a solution) to keep kids in rugby longer.
Not having seen the research, we can’t tell if the conclusions were valid or not.
It’s a fact that player numbers are decreasing, but is that to do with rep teams or the modern life impact on children’s activity levels?
It stinks of PC participation bollocks, and with the infestation of extreme leftist views in academia I’d want to take a very thorough look at the methodology used before throwing away pathways for kids to excel.
Remember too that’s Rugby is not popular with certain types and is seen as representing made up issues like toxic masculinity.
It's this kind of nonsense why I don't go to the politics threads.
Too hard to refute?
I find it hard to believe that kids who genuinely love rugby will become so demoralised at not making a junior rep team that they'll just give the game away.
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It's this kind of nonsense why I don't go to the politics threads.
Fair enough, and it is best left to discuss there. But I will say even a quick glance at some of the “research” being done by universities shows a worrying amount of (to use your word) nonsense.
That’s why you can’t take the word research at face value anymore.
It would be interesting if they released it so it could be evaluated. Bet some of the more scientifically minded posters on here would have some interesting observations.
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There’s some reasonable correlational evidence to suggest a Mathew effect in other sports, so I’m not entirely against steps to combat that - assuming that they’ve identified it in rugby and it relates to younger players getting better coaching due to attributes that aren’t related to rugby skill (primarily age and size).
Whether this is a good response or not to that, I’m not sure, and if also like to see the studies, because as @Kirwan points out, they could be based on bogus science.
Personally, I don’t think it’s the end of the world, as long as the games themselves remain a contest.
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I've listened to this on RS all day, still hasnt changed my opinion, it does seem a bit of a 'well we gotta try something different' angle, but by the same token, I think maybe in my experience (which obviously drives my thinking) I have been lucky with the kids and parents I have been involved with (well 1 dad was a dick, but so was his son, and not a good player either...) as I can see that some parents are likely to be a big part of the problem.
Still like to see more around thier 'research' and the questions asked, how etc.
I have always dreamed of being an AB, but when I was about 15 I realised I would never achieve that goal, I didnt give up rugby
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Not rep rugby, but thought this was the best place to post this.
