Electric Vehicles
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@canefan could be. Tata own everyone now don't they?
I didn't even realize BMW didn't own Land Rover anymore. Now I think of it I think they only kept Mini. No wonder those are so reliable, it's a panzer under the hood
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@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
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@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
I’d like to see an electric ln106 hilux .
A guy here in Oz converted a hilux. Not cheap to do, and the range was shit, and the batteries were AGM, but still
Electric Hilux: An EV conversion trailblazer racks up 100,000km on 10 amp charger
The story of one trailblazing Aussie's all-electric Hilux conversion, and his plans to combine his family's home and vehicle into one power system.
It will get cheaper and easier though . You’ll be able to go out for a tramp/fish/hunt or whatever and charge the batteries from solar panels too.
Can I interest Sir in the Bollinger B1?
Yeah I’ve seen that , that thing is pretty cool. You don’t pick an off-road vehicle based on looks fortunately.
I’d imagine the low end torgue would be pretty popular amongst people who are into rock crawling too .
Looks like Meccano does a Land Rover
The land rover comparison is a bit unfair It doesn’t look piss poorly built and horribly unreliable .
Do they still have that reputation these days?
Not sure , a mechanic mate showed me a list of over 140 known faults in one model that was on the market a few years back . Freelanders have a terrible rep too.
Thread divergence. That was the original Freelander. Piece of crap. The F2 is OK.
We got a second hand no frills one for our travel over here and thrash the shit out of it, taking very little care on maintenance. Have had no problems except one of the auto locking door actuators (which are a bitch in lots of cars).
Slightly back to topic. Glad we have treated the Landrover as semi disposable as it is a diesel and we purchased it just before everything diesel in the uk went from the desired option to the worst evil known to man (and councils). Be very careful about what authorities say/promise regarding EVs. They will change their mind on a whim and all those charge points/ parking incentives etc will be “not their responsibility “ -
@Crucial said in Electric Vehicles:
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@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
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@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
I’d like to see an electric ln106 hilux .
A guy here in Oz converted a hilux. Not cheap to do, and the range was shit, and the batteries were AGM, but still
Electric Hilux: An EV conversion trailblazer racks up 100,000km on 10 amp charger
The story of one trailblazing Aussie's all-electric Hilux conversion, and his plans to combine his family's home and vehicle into one power system.
It will get cheaper and easier though . You’ll be able to go out for a tramp/fish/hunt or whatever and charge the batteries from solar panels too.
Can I interest Sir in the Bollinger B1?
Yeah I’ve seen that , that thing is pretty cool. You don’t pick an off-road vehicle based on looks fortunately.
I’d imagine the low end torgue would be pretty popular amongst people who are into rock crawling too .
Looks like Meccano does a Land Rover
The land rover comparison is a bit unfair It doesn’t look piss poorly built and horribly unreliable .
Do they still have that reputation these days?
Not sure , a mechanic mate showed me a list of over 140 known faults in one model that was on the market a few years back . Freelanders have a terrible rep too.
Thread divergence. That was the original Freelander. Piece of crap. The F2 is OK.
We got a second hand no frills one for our travel over here and thrash the shit out of it, taking very little care on maintenance. Have had no problems except one of the auto locking door actuators (which are a bitch in lots of cars).
Slightly back to topic. Glad we have treated the Landrover as semi disposable as it is a diesel and we purchased it just before everything diesel in the uk went from the desired option to the worst evil known to man (and councils). Be very careful about what authorities say/promise regarding EVs. They will change their mind on a whim and all those charge points/ parking incentives etc will be “not their responsibility “I've had two clients and a mate own the first generation freelander and all had the same thing happen . The four wheel drive shat itself and the cost of fixing it was so extortionate they left it as a front wheel drive. They are getting pretty old now so definitely worth avoiding.
If rover hadn't done the dirty on Honda they would have had a badge engineered version of the crv instead of the piece of shit they designed and probably wouldn't be owned by Tata.
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@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
@Crucial said in Electric Vehicles:
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@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
@canefan said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
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@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
I’d like to see an electric ln106 hilux .
A guy here in Oz converted a hilux. Not cheap to do, and the range was shit, and the batteries were AGM, but still
Electric Hilux: An EV conversion trailblazer racks up 100,000km on 10 amp charger
The story of one trailblazing Aussie's all-electric Hilux conversion, and his plans to combine his family's home and vehicle into one power system.
It will get cheaper and easier though . You’ll be able to go out for a tramp/fish/hunt or whatever and charge the batteries from solar panels too.
Can I interest Sir in the Bollinger B1?
Yeah I’ve seen that , that thing is pretty cool. You don’t pick an off-road vehicle based on looks fortunately.
I’d imagine the low end torgue would be pretty popular amongst people who are into rock crawling too .
Looks like Meccano does a Land Rover
The land rover comparison is a bit unfair It doesn’t look piss poorly built and horribly unreliable .
Do they still have that reputation these days?
Not sure , a mechanic mate showed me a list of over 140 known faults in one model that was on the market a few years back . Freelanders have a terrible rep too.
Thread divergence. That was the original Freelander. Piece of crap. The F2 is OK.
We got a second hand no frills one for our travel over here and thrash the shit out of it, taking very little care on maintenance. Have had no problems except one of the auto locking door actuators (which are a bitch in lots of cars).
Slightly back to topic. Glad we have treated the Landrover as semi disposable as it is a diesel and we purchased it just before everything diesel in the uk went from the desired option to the worst evil known to man (and councils). Be very careful about what authorities say/promise regarding EVs. They will change their mind on a whim and all those charge points/ parking incentives etc will be “not their responsibility “I've had two clients and a mate own the first generation freelander and all had the same thing happen . The four wheel drive shat itself and the cost of fixing it was so extortionate they left it as a front wheel drive. They are getting pretty old now so definitely worth avoiding.
If rover hadn't done the dirty on Honda they would have had a badge engineered version of the crv instead of the piece of shit they designed and probably wouldn't be owned by Tata.
They realised the mistake eventually and changed the F2 to a stock vehicle using the same platform as Volvo.
I only knew all this because I had to do a little research when buying. I was also anti Landrover based in the poor rep they had. -
@Crucial said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
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@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
@canefan said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
I’d like to see an electric ln106 hilux .
A guy here in Oz converted a hilux. Not cheap to do, and the range was shit, and the batteries were AGM, but still
Electric Hilux: An EV conversion trailblazer racks up 100,000km on 10 amp charger
The story of one trailblazing Aussie's all-electric Hilux conversion, and his plans to combine his family's home and vehicle into one power system.
It will get cheaper and easier though . You’ll be able to go out for a tramp/fish/hunt or whatever and charge the batteries from solar panels too.
Can I interest Sir in the Bollinger B1?
Yeah I’ve seen that , that thing is pretty cool. You don’t pick an off-road vehicle based on looks fortunately.
I’d imagine the low end torgue would be pretty popular amongst people who are into rock crawling too .
Looks like Meccano does a Land Rover
The land rover comparison is a bit unfair It doesn’t look piss poorly built and horribly unreliable .
Do they still have that reputation these days?
Not sure , a mechanic mate showed me a list of over 140 known faults in one model that was on the market a few years back . Freelanders have a terrible rep too.
Thread divergence. That was the original Freelander. Piece of crap. The F2 is OK.
We got a second hand no frills one for our travel over here and thrash the shit out of it, taking very little care on maintenance. Have had no problems except one of the auto locking door actuators (which are a bitch in lots of cars).
Slightly back to topic. Glad we have treated the Landrover as semi disposable as it is a diesel and we purchased it just before everything diesel in the uk went from the desired option to the worst evil known to man (and councils). Be very careful about what authorities say/promise regarding EVs. They will change their mind on a whim and all those charge points/ parking incentives etc will be “not their responsibility “I've had two clients and a mate own the first generation freelander and all had the same thing happen . The four wheel drive shat itself and the cost of fixing it was so extortionate they left it as a front wheel drive. They are getting pretty old now so definitely worth avoiding.
If rover hadn't done the dirty on Honda they would have had a badge engineered version of the crv instead of the piece of shit they designed and probably wouldn't be owned by Tata.
They realised the mistake eventually and changed the F2 to a stock vehicle using the same platform as Volvo.
I only knew all this because I had to do a little research when buying. I was also anti Landrover based in the poor rep they had.Yeah, there's very little rover in there, its a mix of mondeo and volvo from when Ford briefly owned and realised it was a basket case and sold it after two years to Tata
I like the old school landies but wouldn't want to own one. This is another conversion to a series two, something like this would be a cool project
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@Crucial said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
@canefan said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
@canefan said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
I’d like to see an electric ln106 hilux .
A guy here in Oz converted a hilux. Not cheap to do, and the range was shit, and the batteries were AGM, but still
Electric Hilux: An EV conversion trailblazer racks up 100,000km on 10 amp charger
The story of one trailblazing Aussie's all-electric Hilux conversion, and his plans to combine his family's home and vehicle into one power system.
It will get cheaper and easier though . You’ll be able to go out for a tramp/fish/hunt or whatever and charge the batteries from solar panels too.
Can I interest Sir in the Bollinger B1?
Yeah I’ve seen that , that thing is pretty cool. You don’t pick an off-road vehicle based on looks fortunately.
I’d imagine the low end torgue would be pretty popular amongst people who are into rock crawling too .
Looks like Meccano does a Land Rover
The land rover comparison is a bit unfair It doesn’t look piss poorly built and horribly unreliable .
Do they still have that reputation these days?
Not sure , a mechanic mate showed me a list of over 140 known faults in one model that was on the market a few years back . Freelanders have a terrible rep too.
Thread divergence. That was the original Freelander. Piece of crap. The F2 is OK.
We got a second hand no frills one for our travel over here and thrash the shit out of it, taking very little care on maintenance. Have had no problems except one of the auto locking door actuators (which are a bitch in lots of cars).
Slightly back to topic. Glad we have treated the Landrover as semi disposable as it is a diesel and we purchased it just before everything diesel in the uk went from the desired option to the worst evil known to man (and councils). Be very careful about what authorities say/promise regarding EVs. They will change their mind on a whim and all those charge points/ parking incentives etc will be “not their responsibility “The anti diesel thing is horribly mis reported. It's about old diesels, anything relatively modern is fine. If you are driving an 02 diesel, then you are probably in the shit (For central london only) otherwise ok.
One thing that has gone relatively quiet recently is hydrogen power. With water only emissions that was predicted to be the next big thing. I guess extracting hydrogen has proved to be as difficult as predicted.
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@MajorRage more about the energy efficiency required to get each going purely on post-manufacture e.g.
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Hydrogen is very much on people's radar. In aus the first step is establishing standards, that hasn't even been done yet.
We could supply a hydrogen bus, but at a million + a unit it's not going to have many takers.
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage more about the energy efficiency required to get each going purely on post-manufacture e.g.
That's a great flow chart, cheers for sharing.
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@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@Crucial said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
@canefan said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
@canefan said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@jegga said in Electric Vehicles:
I’d like to see an electric ln106 hilux .
A guy here in Oz converted a hilux. Not cheap to do, and the range was shit, and the batteries were AGM, but still
Electric Hilux: An EV conversion trailblazer racks up 100,000km on 10 amp charger
The story of one trailblazing Aussie's all-electric Hilux conversion, and his plans to combine his family's home and vehicle into one power system.
It will get cheaper and easier though . You’ll be able to go out for a tramp/fish/hunt or whatever and charge the batteries from solar panels too.
Can I interest Sir in the Bollinger B1?
Yeah I’ve seen that , that thing is pretty cool. You don’t pick an off-road vehicle based on looks fortunately.
I’d imagine the low end torgue would be pretty popular amongst people who are into rock crawling too .
Looks like Meccano does a Land Rover
The land rover comparison is a bit unfair It doesn’t look piss poorly built and horribly unreliable .
Do they still have that reputation these days?
Not sure , a mechanic mate showed me a list of over 140 known faults in one model that was on the market a few years back . Freelanders have a terrible rep too.
Thread divergence. That was the original Freelander. Piece of crap. The F2 is OK.
We got a second hand no frills one for our travel over here and thrash the shit out of it, taking very little care on maintenance. Have had no problems except one of the auto locking door actuators (which are a bitch in lots of cars).
Slightly back to topic. Glad we have treated the Landrover as semi disposable as it is a diesel and we purchased it just before everything diesel in the uk went from the desired option to the worst evil known to man (and councils). Be very careful about what authorities say/promise regarding EVs. They will change their mind on a whim and all those charge points/ parking incentives etc will be “not their responsibility “The anti diesel thing is horribly mis reported. It's about old diesels, anything relatively modern is fine. If you are driving an 02 diesel, then you are probably in the shit (For central london only) otherwise ok.
One thing that has gone relatively quiet recently is hydrogen power. With water only emissions that was predicted to be the next big thing. I guess extracting hydrogen has proved to be as difficult as predicted.
It's more that the Councils in many cases have done the good old knee jerk thing and 'punished' everyone. In our area they doubled the residents parking permit charge for ALL diesels. The hefty ULEZ (Utra Low Emission Zone) charges are basically for diesels 2015 and newer.
Ours is a 2008 and I'm under no illusion that it is 'clean', just a little annoyed that the swing in the way these vehicles are treated was sudden and the implementation stupid. eg we pay extra for our vehicle because we have to park on the street yet a crappy old black smoke bellowing car down the road pays nothing because they can squeeze it onto their property to park.
It is mainly a London thing I agree, and we have already flagged that we are likely to flog the LR off out of town when we leave. -
@canefan said in Electric Vehicles:
Has anyone done a study to work out the environmental cost of making batteries for electric cars?
This popped up on Twitter today - yes it's an annoying thread layout but quite interesting to see what the calculations are. Includes production of car and road usage, against Belgian energy mix and EU average.
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Tesla revealed the Model Y yesterday - basically the downsized Model X in the same way the Model 3 was a downsized S.
https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/modely
The presentation was a bit of a look back and look forward as they rolled out the first built v1 Roadster, Model S, Model X, Roadster v2, Tesla Semi, and then had a long discussion about the challenges of manufacturing.
A very important quote from Musk IMHO when referencing Then vs Now:
So while a lot of economists and finance guys have been talking about how Tesla never made a profit, it forgets that Musk's primary purpose was to engage in transforming electric vehicles.
Even if Tesla don't survive as a company, you'd have to say that is mission accomplished.
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Electric Bus from Proterra drives 1100 miles (1750km) on a single charge.
Yes, it was on a test track.
Yes, it was a battery size of 660kWh that wouldn't be ideal for your standard suburban bus.
Sure, it'd take a decent charger to keep that sucker on the road - but 100kW+ chargers are becoming more popular.It is still fucking impressive. The standard model is planned for 350 miles (550km) which is more than most suburban runs, and can charge up in under an hour. Anyway, read on.
A Proterra electric bus just drove 1,100 miles on a single charge
The Catalyst E2 Max went 1,101.2 miles, thanks to a 660kWh battery.
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@NTA Not Mission Accomplished if you invested in Tesla.
I get this is an Electric Vehicles thread but there are already cleaner more cost effective solutions available than electric power trains. From a company that has given enormous returns to its investors and isn't some sort of massive ego project for its (not really) founder.
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Electric Bus from Proterra drives 1100 miles (1750km) on a single charge.
Yes, it was on a test track.
Yes, it was a battery size of 660kWh that wouldn't be ideal for your standard suburban bus.
Sure, it'd take a decent charger to keep that sucker on the road - but 100kW+ chargers are becoming more popular.It is still fucking impressive. The standard model is planned for 350 miles (550km) which is more than most suburban runs, and can charge up in under an hour. Anyway, read on.
A Proterra electric bus just drove 1,100 miles on a single charge
The Catalyst E2 Max went 1,101.2 miles, thanks to a 660kWh battery.
we can charge ours in 20 minutes if you are willing to pour that much juice through the charging unit
That's a lot of kms! i wonder just how much that bus weighs? Because that right there is the rub. Meeting max weight limits for buses full of people and batteries.
