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@MiketheSnow said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@dogmeat said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
It’s a kid throwing eggs. I have no issue with it. It’s a form of free speech. ...
The kid has the excuse of being young. ...
He didn't throw the egg though.
He had it in his hand the whole time and cracked it on the guy.
Ergo his hand hit the guy.
Assault under the letter of the law.
The senator then gave him a slap, and when the kid came at him gave him a second slap.
More learned and experienced people will have to determine cause, effect, and punishment.
And if you don't know what you're doing by 17 then that's a whole other can of worms.
And for the record I don't support the senator's ideology.
I'm enjoying the exchange over this imbroglio, so is the brat - I saw his triumphal gloating somewhere on anti-social media this afternoon - he's tens of thousands of newest best friends better off, $20,000 richer through that get rich scheme "Fund Me" (or similar), some celebrity solicitor has volunteered his services for free and, from his obvious unbridled glee, I warrant he'll lose a layer of skin tonight while he hunches over tugging furiously, as he relives his moment of courageous fame, over and over again.
I would have to reacquaint myself with DA Jack McCoy's sterling efforts on Law & Order to catch up on what constitutes assault in this enlightened new world - I assume if one purses one's lips and scowls darkly from a distance that probably constitutes grievous harm to feelings.
The advice here appears to be that one must react to an unexpected blind siding from an unseen assailant, wielding a three day old kitten or a six foot monkey wrench, by first conducting a pre-start including anyone who might react in one's defence. In the absence of a pre-engagement signed agreement on what's coming next and from how many then its vigilantism, for sure and for certain, and brutal disproportionate bullying² if the target is unpopular and disliked.
The kicker of course is the comment here, several times, that the Senator fella had it coming - how ironic.
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@dogmeat said in Aussie Politics:
The kid has the excuse of being young.
Entitled little fluffybunny is old enough to be responsible for his actions. He's lucky it ended with a slapping.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Aussie Politics:
Then the kid came at him again and he defended himself, again with reasonable force.
The sort of came at each other after the egg+first slap. Both step in from the video I've seen.
Everything after that goes beyond restraint. A bouncer commented on Twitter that they've been told the are too many risks with choke hold. Certainly 5 on 1 is no situation for it.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
Certainly 5 on 1 is no situation for it.
Probably not, but I defer to the point that no one would've placed him in a choke hold if he didn't assault another person and try to film himself doing it. In portrait mode.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
portrait mode
That's the REAL crime here.
But all the kids are doing it in the snaps and the whatsapps and such
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@Crazy-Horse said in Aussie Politics:
Then the kid came at him again and he defended himself, again with reasonable force.
The sort of came at each other after the egg+first slap. Both step in from the video I've seen.
Everything after that goes beyond restraint. A bouncer commented on Twitter that they've been told the are too many risks with choke hold. Certainly 5 on 1 is no situation for it.
Let's face it. If a less repulsive person had been attacked then nobody would have given a shit about the choke hold. I do wonder what the kid actually thought would happen after he threw the egg.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@Crazy-Horse said in Aussie Politics:
Then the kid came at him again and he defended himself, again with reasonable force.
The sort of came at each other after the egg+first slap. Both step in from the video I've seen.
Everything after that goes beyond restraint. A bouncer commented on Twitter that they've been told the are too many risks with choke hold. Certainly 5 on 1 is no situation for it.
Let's face it. If a less repulsive person had been attacked then nobody would have given a shit about the choke hold. I do wonder what the kid actually thought would happen after he threw the egg.
Probably not that.
On reach and body mass alone, he wasn't likely to get far against Anning, especially with a phone in his hand.
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I've made my feelings on Anning pretty clear, but I'm not comfortable condoning assault based on who thinks they are morally right. That line of thinking gives rise to groups like antifa.
It's a bit if a non-event to me overall. If I was Anning I wouldn't press charges, though he is within his rights to.
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Anning deserved the egg. The kid deserved a slap afterwards.
Aussies like to speak about the history of larrikinism in the country, but as soon as someone does something vaguely close to a larrikin move (egging a dickhead senator), we all react violently to condemn the action.
Good on him I say. It was an egg, not a rock. And it's a far more effective way of combating Anning than some 2,000 word thinkpiece in the Weekend Australian.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
Good on him I say. It was an egg, not a rock. And it's a far more effective way of combating Anning than some 2,000 word thinkpiece in the Weekend Australian.
By that logic, you'd be OK with someone with strongly held beliefs egging a Green politician that they genuinely believed was a nutter?
Disclaimer: Anning's a twat, his views are abhorrent, but I'm really not keen on condoning violence against as a response
Edit: the kid's a twit, and the response was probably OTT. But then, you play with fire, you get burnt. No one came out of that well.
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@nzzp said in Aussie Politics:
By that logic, you'd be OK with someone with strongly held beliefs egging a Green politician that they genuinely believed was a nutter?
If that Green politician raised an abhorrent view at a horrible time, then yes. Some actions are egg-worthy, but it's very very rare.
Thankfully this would be one of the only times in the past 20 years or so one of our pollies has done something truly egg-worthy.
My egg threshold may be higher than others though.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
If that Green politician raised an abhorrent view at a horrible time, then yes. Some actions are egg-worthy, but it's very very rare.
... and that's where the issue comes I think. Abhorrence is a personal thing.
I get fired up by people who think that homeopathy cures cancer, or that vaccination can lead to autism. Or people who think we shouldn't carry out any genetic modification, or open more coal fired power stations.
So, basically I'm intolerant ... but the threshold for physically attacking someone is even higher - particularly politicians. I was pissed when Helen Clarke was treated like a second class citizen at Waitangi, I was pissed when turkeys confronted John Key, threw pig shit on John Banks and attacked James Shaw. And no, I didn't like the dildo throwing (but it was bloody funny).
Anyway, in principle I think physical attacks shouldn't be tolerated, particularly on politicians. Because the definition of who does and doesn't qualify to be personally attacked depends on the nutjob doing it. The animal rights extremists in the UK think they are doing great things by destroying people and businesses. It's just nuts.
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@nzzp said in Aussie Politics:
Anyway, in principle I think physical attacks shouldn't be tolerated, particularly on politicians.
Yeah I'd tend to agree with you, though I do think this is a bit of an outlier. Both the nature of the politician (and what he said/did) and the nature of the attack.
But we can agree to disagree. Kind of.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
But we can agree to disagree. Kind of.
If we don't, can I egg you?
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I work with a bunch or great guys but today was an eye opener.
Several of them were watching the shooting. Disgusted but drawn in. I was asked if I had seen it and I said yes and did not want to watch it ever again.
They were all genuinely upset by it but couldn’t look away. Afterward the egging came up and they all said what I was thinking. “Fraser is a fluffybunny” etc, etc. But then it turned to one guy saying “hes half right though” then they all agreed that the problem with FA isn’t his politics, it is his delivery. He’s too offensive but the message is right.
“Muslims are ok but not if there’s too many. Muslims want to change everything about Australia”I picked up my phone to make a call so they got out of my office.
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It is, as they say, "blowing up deluxe" over here in political terms. Some comment made by Morrison years back about using Muslim concerns to grab votes in a shadow cabinet meeting has come back to him and he's not well pleased.
Interestingly, the original author of the article back in 2010 (2011?) was not discussed, only the person who repeated the incident on TV recently. So that's weird.
Several of the Conservative media who were very measured in their language after the attack are now going off their brains because people are accusation them of dog whistling.
Not an ideal preparation for a federal election as far as the government is concerned.
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@barbarian didn't Gillard get egged a couple of times?
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@NTA mate this federal election is playing havoc with the building industry, at least in Brisbane and the GC it is.
No one is doing anything which means we are doing nothing which means we are not making any money which means my wife is going to eventually hit the bottom of the endless pit she thinks is our bank account.
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@raznomore said in Aussie Politics:
@NTA mate this federal election is playing havoc with the building industry, at least in Brisbane and the GC it is.
No one is doing anything which means we are doing nothing which means we are not making any money which means my wife is going to eventually hit the bottom of the endless pit she thinks is our bank account.
Lot of economic uncertainty, that's for sure. Mate of mine lays floors and he's usually booking work months out. Says everything has slowed right down and he's only got work to the end of May.
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