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@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Muslim feminists that I referred to earlier talking about western feminists donning the hijab and why that's an incredibly misguided way of showing support for Muslim women, who don't all wear hijabs and in fact many are fighting against it.
None of this should come as any surprise to people that know even the first thing about the subjugation of women around the world, yet they still decided it was a good idea.
It was meant as a sign of respect, but someone was always going to get upset
Respect towards whom?
Those who died. Let's not play the cat and mouse game. Just state your position if you want to
Not cat and mouse, you know plenty of Muslims dont believe in the hijab and think it isnt a good thing? How do you know the thoughtd of the victims or all the victims families. The hajib is a controversial subject within Islam and outside. So if you want to show respect why choose a side? What if some of the victims vehemently didnt want thier wives and daughters subjugated in that way? Not much respect involved at all. Just subjugation.
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@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Muslim feminists that I referred to earlier talking about western feminists donning the hijab and why that's an incredibly misguided way of showing support for Muslim women, who don't all wear hijabs and in fact many are fighting against it.
None of this should come as any surprise to people that know even the first thing about the subjugation of women around the world, yet they still decided it was a good idea.
It was meant as a sign of respect, but someone was always going to get upset
Respect towards whom?
Those who died. Let's not play the cat and mouse game. Just state your position if you want to
The point is it was not respectful to a sizeable number of Muslim women, in fact the exact opposite. There are thousands of ways to show respect and support for the wider Muslim community without alienating many of them. Donning a garb that has been and still is used as a tool to oppress millions of women around the world was a very poor choice (that's being kind). That should have been obvious to someone that calls herself a feminist.
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@canefan And yet more "freedom" and "respect"
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One thing I've been thinking about but haven't really seen it discussed is Nicky Hager and also the Greens campaigning against state surveillance. In fact, around this time last year Nicky Hager was appointed as part of a group to oversee these agencies which was an absurd appointment.
Would be interested to hear if this group has made any changes since forming, and what they think about this terrorist slipping through the cracks given many of them have advocated for no surveillance at all.
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@No-Quarter have any enquiries been started yet?
There will be numerous ones done I expect, but yes will be interesting to see what comes out of it.
The GCSE and surveillance was a big issue a few years back, and you would hope that there havent been any relaxing or changes around this that might have prevented this.
Nicky Hagar being on that committee was a fucking joke, how can he be considered remotely impartial or fair in his assessment of it.
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@taniwharugby It would be funny if they were criticised for dropping the ball and he among others was implicated, seeing as he is all into less oversight and all that
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so the 'alleged' fuckstick has made a complaint about being denied use of a phone, TV or any contact with people...seriously though, given what he did, this cnut should have every single basic human right revoked bar being given 4 walls, a bed, running water and some food.
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@taniwharugby I understand your anger mate but we've got civilised standards for incarceration which I believe we must uphold.
My anger is more directed to the media vultures for reporting anything about him.
Again Adern missed another trick here. At the outset she should have explained to all NZers that this criminal case is certain. He will be tried in private and will be incarcerated for his entire life. He will spend that life away from other inmates. His future will be of no interest or consequence to NZers. He will die in a cell. She could have issued legislation or strong recommendations that no media outlets were to publish or report on his life since being arrested and to all intents and purposes his life in the public eye is over. She could have stressed that clickbait media about him should be viewed with derision and disgust by decent NZers.
This will be the treatment for all crimes like this - he will essentially not exist in the minds of the new zealanders. The message to other wannabe martyrs to follow is clear, you get locked up in anonymity for ever.
He gets a cell and none of the attention he craves and which motivated him.
Exceptional treatment for exceptional circumstances.
She won't though, she'll see the outrage like me and you feel for this gutter journalism as another great opportunity to thrust herself front and centre in the public eye, hoping people will forget kiwibuild and other failings on her watch.
We have mores in the fern for not reporting some things, I think we should do the same for clickbait about this utter fluffybunny. Not a rule, but perhaps an agreement we could all make voluntarily
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@taniwharugby for sure mate, so how do WE deal with that? I say we take it into our own hands to properly ignore the fluffybunny. Fuck being slaves to a dishonest and discredited media.
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@taniwharugby yep such is our society where, seemingly, we're all lemmings to this rancid media business model.
But do we have to be....?
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@Siam how do you get everyone to make a stand?
I never knowingly click on 2 idiots that call themselves sports journos, but they are still employed oblvious to the ramblings of people such as me.
So little actual journalism these days, usually just opinion or puff peices with an agenda.
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@taniwharugby I know it's not easy, neither is an effective strategy
Perhaps a mental stop and think. Then ignore. I mean there is no info about him that we need to know so fuck it, let nothing in.
Tell people it's not a subject worth conversing on.
Certainly no sharing. But it's hard, though I do believe even individual efforts en Masse is at least better than a resounding" that's just the way life is" . Some say all the stupid noise emanates from 8% of the popn. They don't represent my views and I refuse to bow down to them, whatever the names I'm called.
I'm sick of being led by the nose about what is acceptable in a continual dysfunctional narrative.
But mostly bro, I don't know anything except fuck these media and social media companies
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@Siam said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@taniwharugby I know it's not easy, neither is an effective strategy
Perhaps a mental stop and think. Then ignore. I mean there is no info about him that we need to know so fuck it, let nothing in.
Tell people it's not a subject worth conversing on.
Certainly no sharing. But it's hard, though I do believe even individual efforts en Masse is at least better than a resounding" that's just the way life is" . Some say all the stupid noise emanates from 8% of the popn. They don't represent my views and I refuse to bow down to them, whatever the names I'm called.
I'm sick of being led by the nose about what is acceptable in a continual dysfunctional narrative.
But mostly bro, I don't know anything except fuck these media and social media companies
MSM is as bad as outlets like the Woman's Day these days. The shit they spill is brain melting but people still lap it up. Since the days of the Christians and the Romans, people have lapped up drivel
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@canefan agree but not totally. Before about 5-10 years ago the public were way more discerning. We all grew up with truth ( not sensationalism) as a cornerstone to society. Fake news was given no oxygen to live. The Truth newspaper was a fun rag, and universally condemned as a creditable source. The distrust of previously strong institutions ( media, justice, politics) is a real thing that needs to be addressed
Just recognising it is a start
Time to push back and actually not encourage these messages which only serve to corrupt our mindsets.
There's a great Sam Harris podcast this week talking about it if interested.
Christchurch Gunman in Mosque