Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
Hold the phone. Anyone mentioned James Marshall? He's a very good player and did a good job at 10 for the Canes. Just coming back from injury though.
@canefan did, maybe on another thread, but yeah if he can get upto speed it'd be great. How much time will he have at 10 with BB on the team? Not much, my guess.
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@Machpants said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
Hold the phone. Anyone mentioned James Marshall? He's a very good player and did a good job at 10 for the Canes. Just coming back from injury though.
@canefan did, maybe on another thread, but yeah if he can get upto speed it'd be great. How much time will he have at 10 with BB on the team? Not much, my guess.
Not much but BB was injured a couple of times and I recall Marshall doing a pretty sound job. He's just a really good player (or at least was) and IMHO wouldn't look out of place in black. The same can't be said for most on that list.
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Wair Nonu had a stint in Japan - get Nonu in there!
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@Nepia said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@Stargazer said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@Rancid-Schnitzel If it's about experience, I'd pick Mitch Hunt who has about the same number of NPC and SR caps as Banks. The only difference in experience between the two is Banks' overseas' stints for very average clubs. Hunt has played in two SR Finals (2017 & 2018), Banks in one (2015).
Yeah I could live with Hunt. He has been in some pressure cooker situations.
I'm still bemused he wasn't called up instead of Cameron last year - or was he injured (old man memory)?
Mitch was available for selection.
I think it was pretty much a "long term promise" pick with Cameron. Mitch is pretty small - even for a first five and I don't think he's ever shown much sign of being really world class. Has a turn of speed, but doesn't have the same elusiveness as DMac.
Wouldn't be the worst pick in a RWC crisis.
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@Chris-B said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@Nepia said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@Stargazer said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@Rancid-Schnitzel If it's about experience, I'd pick Mitch Hunt who has about the same number of NPC and SR caps as Banks. The only difference in experience between the two is Banks' overseas' stints for very average clubs. Hunt has played in two SR Finals (2017 & 2018), Banks in one (2015).
Yeah I could live with Hunt. He has been in some pressure cooker situations.
I'm still bemused he wasn't called up instead of Cameron last year - or was he injured (old man memory)?
Mitch was available for selection.
I think it was pretty much a "long term promise" pick with Cameron. Mitch is pretty small - even for a first five and I don't think he's ever shown much sign of being really world class. Has a turn of speed, but doesn't have the same elusiveness as DMac.
Wouldn't be the worst pick in a RWC crisis.
Cameron hasn’t shown much sign of being Super class. 🤣
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It is so interesting with Mackenzie out. Surely 2011 won’t happen again and BB and RM can run ship..,.
As always the balance of squad will be taken into acc IMO. JB will be 4th option but would be surprised if 3rd if others two stay healthy before cup.
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@MN5 said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@taniwharugby said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@MN5 said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@Chris-B said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@canefan said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
Jordie is the my choice. You can joke about the charge downs but at the end of the day he has the quality and skills to fit in and do a decent job rather than hinder the players around him. He made a decent fist of his chances in black so far. And that us about all you can ask for if you get to the third stringer
I don't think the charge downs would be a joke - they'd be the number one thing I would target.
There's a reason most first fives are nippy little guys whose feet are close to their hands - because those extra hundredths of seconds it takes someone with long levers like Jordie - who is 20cm taller than people like DC and Mo'unga - to catch, drop and kick the ball are critical. And it's in the bio-mechanics of everything they do - they've got more power, but they take more time.
Henry Honiball, Stephen Larkham, Jonathan Sexton, Steven Donald and Jordies shorter but still quite tall brother Beauden are reading this and getting pissed off at it's inaccuracy.
tallest of that lot (Larkham) is still 6cm shorter than JB...
Don't always believe stats, Honiball is a tall rangy bloke.
I'm 6' 2" and Honiball was taller than me when I met him
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@Chris-B said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@Nepia said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@Stargazer said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@Rancid-Schnitzel If it's about experience, I'd pick Mitch Hunt who has about the same number of NPC and SR caps as Banks. The only difference in experience between the two is Banks' overseas' stints for very average clubs. Hunt has played in two SR Finals (2017 & 2018), Banks in one (2015).
Yeah I could live with Hunt. He has been in some pressure cooker situations.
I'm still bemused he wasn't called up instead of Cameron last year - or was he injured (old man memory)?
Mitch was available for selection.
I think it was pretty much a "long term promise" pick with Cameron. Mitch is pretty small - even for a first five and I don't think he's ever shown much sign of being really world class. Has a turn of speed, but doesn't have the same elusiveness as DMac.
Wouldn't be the worst pick in a RWC crisis.
I agree with all that. I would definitely have selected Mitch Hunt over Brett Cameron for the Japan test last year. Mitch has shown, in both 2017 and 2018, that when Mo'unga was injured for extended spells he could come straight into the team and run things smoothly. He's a good all round player, whose kicking and passing games would be on par with Cameron. However he offers much more in attack with ball in hand. I agree with you that he's really small but I think as an emergency call-up, none of the other young 10's in the country have shown as much at Super Rugby level as Mitch Hunt has.
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@Chris-B said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@Nepia Yeah - I missed his game against the tahs, but I saw the next cameo with his penalty touchfinder.
Not ready for the ABs yet!
Will Jordan can probably play 10 though!
Only if Blake Gibson is injured of course.
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Just want someone who's solid, isn't over-awed and doesn't go to pieces. That could be someone out of position from the current squad or a specialist with some solid S15 experience - e.g Otere Black.
Either way, any option needs some experience at 10 in the AB's pre- RWC games.
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@MiketheSnow said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@MN5 said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@taniwharugby said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@MN5 said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@Chris-B said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@canefan said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
Jordie is the my choice. You can joke about the charge downs but at the end of the day he has the quality and skills to fit in and do a decent job rather than hinder the players around him. He made a decent fist of his chances in black so far. And that us about all you can ask for if you get to the third stringer
I don't think the charge downs would be a joke - they'd be the number one thing I would target.
There's a reason most first fives are nippy little guys whose feet are close to their hands - because those extra hundredths of seconds it takes someone with long levers like Jordie - who is 20cm taller than people like DC and Mo'unga - to catch, drop and kick the ball are critical. And it's in the bio-mechanics of everything they do - they've got more power, but they take more time.
Henry Honiball, Stephen Larkham, Jonathan Sexton, Steven Donald and Jordies shorter but still quite tall brother Beauden are reading this and getting pissed off at it's inaccuracy.
tallest of that lot (Larkham) is still 6cm shorter than JB...
Don't always believe stats, Honiball is a tall rangy bloke.
I'm 6' 2" and Honiball was taller than me when I met him
Forget it, too many people take listed heights and weights as absolute gospel. No chance convincing them.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
Just want someone who's solid, isn't over-awed and doesn't go to pieces. That could be someone out of position from the current squad or a specialist with some solid S15 experience - e.g Otere Black.
Either way, any option needs some experience at 10 in the AB's pre- RWC games.
Black is still young and could develop into a solid 1st 5. He’s been around for a few seasons now but is yet to really nail down a starting spot at super level.
Like Henry did when he played Rangi at 1st 5, I think they will find someone within their squad.
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@MN5 well given plenty of us havent stood next to a guy, what do you expect us to do?
a few sites have him listed at differing heights, from 1.85 to 1.90, you expect at least one of them to be correct...except for Ardie.
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@taniwharugby said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@MN5 well given plenty of us havent stood next to a guy, what do you expect us to do?
a few sites have him listed at differing heights, from 1.85 to 1.90, you expect at least one of them to be correct...except for Ardie.
Use your eyes and go...."shit he looks taller than that"
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@MN5 riiiight...I have stood next to dudes on the field and thought fuck, you are way smaller than you look on TV while standing next to another bloke and think the opposite, as in fark you are way huger!
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@taniwharugby said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
@MN5 riiiight...I have stood next to dudes on the field and thought fuck, you are way smaller than you look on TV while standing next to another bloke and think the opposite, as in fark you are way huger!
That's the spirit
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@ACT-Crusader said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:
Black is still young and could develop into a solid 1st 5. He’s been around for a few seasons now but is yet to really nail down a starting spot at super level.
His defence is not great, the Blues shuffle their backline to hide him. Although Mo'unga is also a shitty defender so I guess that doesn't rule a player out
The bigger concern with Black is the quality/consistency of his passing. It's not just about the errors, the whole alignment changes when a better passer like Plummer subs on.
