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@dogmeat said in Aussie Politics:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
As sure as night follows day, as soon as a right of centre party beats a left of centre party in an election, then the supporters of said left of centre party will dub whole swathes of people, including entire states, as un-educated, ignorant, and selfish. They will unashamedly make claims about people falling for the other side's dirty scare campaign, about how people fell for soundbites rather than virtue, and make further claims about how this has set the country back years, as how could these people not feel the same as them?
Works both ways. Some National supporters are still saying the same things over here WE WUZ ROBBED
Robbed by Winnie!!
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The funniest thing is that the people who bitch and moan about the toxic nature of politics or the deep divisions in a nation are the biggest contributors to those things actually existing.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
It's symbolic that Hawke died in the last week. He would have walked the election on Saturday although his ahem bits on the side might not have been hidden if he'd been leader now.
Would Australian voters have cared?
Australians may not have cared but there are plenty of opportunistic journalists out there that would want to run the story/stories about extracurricular activities. And they will run until it is flogged and the press gallery would then be wanting a scalp.
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What do Aussie based Ferners think of this ?
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@jegga said in Aussie Politics:
What do Aussie based Ferners think of this ?
Well that's a good way to further cement their economic decline. No way I'll be going back to that shithole.
Also pleased I run a VPN on my phone.
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LOL should have held the election earlier.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has been told it is "very unlikely" he can convene Parliament before June 30 in a danger sign for his ability to legislate income tax cuts for millions of workers due to take effect on July 1.
The delay has forced the government to look at retrospective action to ensure ten million workers receive a tax offset in their tax returns worth up to $1080 a year and promised in the April 2 budget.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
Some analysis suggesting PHON preferences had a more prominent effect than Palmer
So ON get 25% of LNP's primary vote and Tom McIlroy thinks that means Qld voted for Hanson?
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
Some analysis suggesting PHON preferences had a more prominent effect than Palmer
Considering they preferenced the LNP and considering they had to vote would they have otherwise voted Labor? I doubt it.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
Considering they preferenced the LNP and considering they had to vote would they have otherwise voted Labor? I doubt it.
You could make a list of Labor seats twice as long where Greens preferences exceed the two party margin. It is meaningless - these voters are always going to preference Labor over the Coalition. This would have some merit if Labor bled votes to a centerist party or an independent candidate that otherwise could have gone their way (which ironically only happened to the Libs in Indi this election).
That said the Coalition need to take a long hard look at how independents are being deployed against them before the next election. While the Palmer/Coalition relationship in Queensland was scrutinized by the media, Labor coordinated with independents in Wentworth, Cowper, Indi and Warringah to harm the coalition in equal measure. Perhaps because it was geographically desperate or because they were independents - but this is something to watch going into the election - particularly given Get Up's involvement.
Also might be worth exploring supporting some independents in some seats that will never go for the Lib branding. They should win Warringah back in their own right next election (much like Bennelong post Howard) but inner city seats like Melbourne and Mayo that went left several cycles ago would be ideal targets.
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A few right-wingers using the election victory to strike another blow in the culture wars: https://www.smh.com.au/federal-election-2019/the-election-s-ultimate-lesson-is-about-mainstream-australian-values-20190520-p51pf3.html
I agree that the woke Twitter left in Australia consists mainly of out-of-touch morons, but I actually don't think that's why Labor lost the election.
My theory (and like every explanation of what happened, it's only a theory) is that the primary vote driver was economic management. People were uneasy about Shorten's proposed changes to taxation, and saw Morrison and the Coalition as a safe pair of hands with economically turbulent waters on the horizon.
Of course nobody appreciated the left wing of the Labor party trying to police the behaviour of everyone to their right, but I just don't think that was on anyone's mind when they entered the polling booth.
Whether it's justified or not, people still regard the Coalition as superior economic managers. Labor tried to fight the battle on economic grounds, which was the fatal flaw of their strategy. It was a field on which they could never win, outside of the inner-city progressives.
Labor succeed when they focus on social infrastructure- schools, health, welfare and yes even climate change. It doesn't succeed 100% of the time, but certainly suits them far more than fighting an election on taxation reform. It's the old mum/dad phenomenon that also happens in the States.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
Whether it's justified or not, people still regard the Coalition as superior economic managers. Labor tried to fight the battle on economic grounds, which was the fatal flaw of their strategy. It was a field on which they could never win, outside of the inner-city progressives.
The swing maps I've seen show inner city "affluent" electorates tended toward Labor while the less affluent electorates moved toward the coalition.
Economic management is a broad topic and simply holding up graphs showing the changes in taxation, debt, deficit, surplus, etc you can paint any picture you want.
However, some analysts are saying that Labor never explained where the money was coming from, which I find interesting: franking credits and housing investment wind backs were pretty obvious I would have thought?
The Libs are also promising tax cuts without specifying where that money comes from, particularly a point blank refusal to answer questions in the $77B high bracket relief.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
Whether it's justified or not, people still regard the Coalition as superior economic managers. Labor tried to fight the battle on economic grounds, which was the fatal flaw of their strategy. It was a field on which they could never win, outside of the inner-city progressives.
The swing maps I've seen show inner city "affluent" electorates tended toward Labor while the less affluent electorates moved toward the coalition.
That makes sense as the more affluent you are, the more you concern yourself with higher order issues. Maslow's hierarchy.
Economic management is a broad topic and simply holding up graphs showing the changes in taxation, debt, deficit, surplus, etc you can paint any picture you want.
You can rapidly dismiss wishful thinking on the basis of data.
However, some analysts are saying that Labor never explained where the money was coming from, which I find interesting: franking credits and housing investment wind backs were pretty obvious I would have thought?
Ignoring the reports that Bowen's modelling was based on outdated information and that the revenue measures still didn't add up to the spending, Labor didn't explain why it should be considered better placed to determine how your money should be spent.
The Libs are also promising tax cuts without specifying where that money comes from, particularly a point blank refusal to answer questions in the $77B high bracket relief.
It addresses bracket creep which is fundamentally sound policy. It doesn't come from anything, they're just not receiving it.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
It addresses bracket creep which is fundamentally sound policy. It doesn't come from anything, they're just not receiving it.
Bracket creep would have to be analysed in the context of slowing wages growth and general economy as well, no?
And if they're not receiving the tax, how do they forward project funding services for an aging population? Who pays for that?
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
It addresses bracket creep which is fundamentally sound policy. It doesn't come from anything, they're just not receiving it.
Bracket creep would have to be analysed in the context of slowing wages growth and general economy as well, no?
Simply against inflation.
And if they're not receiving the tax, how do they forward project funding services for an aging population? Who pays for that?
A growing population combined with investment in superannuation so self-funded retirees aren't drawing a pension. Something people could do if politicians stopped changing the rules every 10 minutes.
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That functional retard Palachook was out and about with the hard hat and hi-vis vest shamelessly crapping on about how frustrated she is about Adani and how she wants the process finalised. What complete bs. Her govt has done everything to stop it and now the election has freaked her out. At some stage Labor will have to decide if they actually want to continue to be a party that represents the worker or a party that indulges the whims of inner city lefties. It can't be both anymore.
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