Electric Vehicles
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Tesla Model 3 has dropped here and in NZ.
Drive away price somewhere just under a BMW 3 Series for the standard model. 0-100 in 5.6s is handy.
Fully loaded, the performance model is still cheaper than an M3. And 0-100 in 3.4s will take some beating.
Yes, it was both a fun and disheartening 30mins of selecting options I can’t afford.
$83,000 for the self driving model.
Not completely out of reach, but near enough.
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Tesla Model 3 has dropped here and in NZ.
Drive away price somewhere just under a BMW 3 Series for the standard model. 0-100 in 5.6s is handy.
Fully loaded, the performance model is still cheaper than an M3. And 0-100 in 3.4s will take some beating.
I've often wondered how many performance car drivers will choose a Tesla over the more traditional vehicles. There is so much more to performance cars than 0-100 times and power. Don't get me wrong, it's a huge part of it, but a perfectly balanced car will beat a poorly distributed car 10/10 for driving fun. I've not a driven a Tesla in about 2.5 years now, but Model S P85D and the roadster were both phenomenal for accelaration, but that was literally it for driving experiences. The weight of the batteries killed any handling / feel.
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@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Tesla Model 3 has dropped here and in NZ.
Drive away price somewhere just under a BMW 3 Series for the standard model. 0-100 in 5.6s is handy.
Fully loaded, the performance model is still cheaper than an M3. And 0-100 in 3.4s will take some beating.
I've often wondered how many performance car drivers will choose a Tesla over the more traditional vehicles. There is so much more to performance cars than 0-100 times and power. Don't get me wrong, it's a huge part of it, but a perfectly balanced car will beat a poorly distributed car 10/10 for driving fun. I've not a driven a Tesla in about 2.5 years now, but Model S P85D and the roadster were both phenomenal for accelaration, but that was literally it for driving experiences. The weight of the batteries killed any handling / feel.
Top Gear compared the Model 3 Performance to a similarly priced Beamer and it came out ahead. EDIT: did a quarter mile, 0-100-0, drift, and race circuit.
Apparently the quality and driveability in the Model 3 Performance is making some Model S drivers jump ship.
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Tesla Model 3 has dropped here and in NZ.
Drive away price somewhere just under a BMW 3 Series for the standard model. 0-100 in 5.6s is handy.
Fully loaded, the performance model is still cheaper than an M3. And 0-100 in 3.4s will take some beating.
I've often wondered how many performance car drivers will choose a Tesla over the more traditional vehicles. There is so much more to performance cars than 0-100 times and power. Don't get me wrong, it's a huge part of it, but a perfectly balanced car will beat a poorly distributed car 10/10 for driving fun. I've not a driven a Tesla in about 2.5 years now, but Model S P85D and the roadster were both phenomenal for accelaration, but that was literally it for driving experiences. The weight of the batteries killed any handling / feel.
Top Gear compared the Model 3 Performance to a similarly priced Beamer and it came out ahead. EDIT: did a quarter mile, 0-100-0, drift, and race circuit.
Apparently the quality and driveability in the Model 3 Performance is making some Model S drivers jump ship.
Found the article Nick, it's interesting stuff:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/calling-elons-bluff-tesla-model-3-vs-bmw-m3#11
So overall it's 3-1 to the Tesla. However for me, the final paragraph is telling, and more in synch with what I've been reading.
"But here’s the crunch: taking into account the repeatability of performance, the overall agility and the endorphin rush, it’s the BMW I’d take for one last lap of Thunderhill."
It reminds me of when we upgraded our family wagon earlier this year. Everything pointed to an XC90. Everything. It had it all, it had all sorts of tech which my wife wanted, it was spot on perfect.
And I hated it.
So we bought an "inferior" car.
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@MajorRage a lot of it does come down to "feel" for the individual. A car reviewer here in Oz bought one because it has the combination of stuff his wife wants as well as some oomph when he's feeling like a bit of fun. He was one of those who was impressed with the uptick in quality
Why I bought an EV (Hint: not to save the world)
Paul has a Tesla Model 3 on the way. Here's why he's laying down his hard-earned cash.
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@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Tesla Model 3 has dropped here and in NZ.
Drive away price somewhere just under a BMW 3 Series for the standard model. 0-100 in 5.6s is handy.
Fully loaded, the performance model is still cheaper than an M3. And 0-100 in 3.4s will take some beating.
I've often wondered how many performance car drivers will choose a Tesla over the more traditional vehicles. There is so much more to performance cars than 0-100 times and power. Don't get me wrong, it's a huge part of it, but a perfectly balanced car will beat a poorly distributed car 10/10 for driving fun. I've not a driven a Tesla in about 2.5 years now, but Model S P85D and the roadster were both phenomenal for accelaration, but that was literally it for driving experiences. The weight of the batteries killed any handling / feel.
Top Gear compared the Model 3 Performance to a similarly priced Beamer and it came out ahead. EDIT: did a quarter mile, 0-100-0, drift, and race circuit.
Apparently the quality and driveability in the Model 3 Performance is making some Model S drivers jump ship.
Found the article Nick, it's interesting stuff:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/calling-elons-bluff-tesla-model-3-vs-bmw-m3#11
So overall it's 3-1 to the Tesla. However for me, the final paragraph is telling, and more in synch with what I've been reading.
"But here’s the crunch: taking into account the repeatability of performance, the overall agility and the endorphin rush, it’s the BMW I’d take for one last lap of Thunderhill."
... and the next sentence is
Out on the road it’s a different story. Where the BMW’s comfort and refinement is conceded quite a bit to unlock its track potential, the Tesla is utterly uncompromised, besides having to find a Supercharger every 250 miles or so.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Electric Vehicles:
Sound use of taxpayer dollars.
It may end up costing less in the long run. I think most Police vehicles have a very short lifespan often less than a year or two depending on how many kilometres they rack up. And Highway cars are the most expensive, I think the new BMW's they use whilst discounted still cost a lot to setup to road ready status. In theory the Teslas could have a much longer running life as I understand the electric system is more durable than combustion engines? Plus the savings on fuel and one could argue the VIC Police are actually doing the taxpayer a favour.
Plus Teslas may lead the way in making Highway Patrol redundant, if cars all end up driving themselves there wont be a lot of need for Policing the roads.
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@chimoaus how they use / replace it will be interesting. They've said it is the best vehicle to drive in the fleet according to that video.
It will definitely be the safest in the fleet for occupants. Tesla's star ratings are higher than the scale currently goes. The autopilot options could also be good for driver assistance IF they're calibrated for highway patrol.
Other than that, it is a pilot and largely an experiment. Tesla will learn a lot from this.
I see Swiss police have ordered a bunch of Kona EV for patrol vehicles - won't fit many crims in the back of one IMHO, but then maybe they don't police that way.
Swiss police pick Hyundai Kona Electric as EV patrol car
They will be used by the St. Gallen canton of Switzerland.
The BMW decision by some state jurisdictions in Oz is interesting when you compare them to QLD who have gone with fitting out Kia Stingers for their highway patrol vehicles.
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@Snowy said in Electric Vehicles:
@chimoaus said in Electric Vehicles:
I understand the electric system is more durable than combustion engines?
Something like 20 moving parts compared to an ICE with 200 - 1500 depending on who you believe / what you include.
Fuel cost saving of 70%, service cost saving a bit over 50%
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
The BMW decision by some state jurisdictions in Oz is interesting when you compare them to QLD who have gone with fitting out Kia Stingers for their highway patrol vehicles.
What happens when there's different levels of accountability for public money. I've been told by an AFP mate that the Kia Stinger is an impressive car.
In other news, the VW ID.R set an electric record at Nordschleife, beating the old electric record by over 40s.
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@antipodean the great thing about those videos is they keep getting shorter 😉
Zero motorcycles is attempting Pikes Peak this year. That should be cracking.
I've also heard the Stinger is amazing for ~$60k
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Hill climbs like Pikes peak are perfect for electric vehicles - one pass with bends requiring instantaneous acceleration out of corners.
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@antipodean and no tuning for altitude
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@nzzp said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Tesla Model 3 has dropped here and in NZ.
Drive away price somewhere just under a BMW 3 Series for the standard model. 0-100 in 5.6s is handy.
Fully loaded, the performance model is still cheaper than an M3. And 0-100 in 3.4s will take some beating.
I've often wondered how many performance car drivers will choose a Tesla over the more traditional vehicles. There is so much more to performance cars than 0-100 times and power. Don't get me wrong, it's a huge part of it, but a perfectly balanced car will beat a poorly distributed car 10/10 for driving fun. I've not a driven a Tesla in about 2.5 years now, but Model S P85D and the roadster were both phenomenal for accelaration, but that was literally it for driving experiences. The weight of the batteries killed any handling / feel.
Top Gear compared the Model 3 Performance to a similarly priced Beamer and it came out ahead. EDIT: did a quarter mile, 0-100-0, drift, and race circuit.
Apparently the quality and driveability in the Model 3 Performance is making some Model S drivers jump ship.
Found the article Nick, it's interesting stuff:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/calling-elons-bluff-tesla-model-3-vs-bmw-m3#11
So overall it's 3-1 to the Tesla. However for me, the final paragraph is telling, and more in synch with what I've been reading.
"But here’s the crunch: taking into account the repeatability of performance, the overall agility and the endorphin rush, it’s the BMW I’d take for one last lap of Thunderhill."
... and the next sentence is
Out on the road it’s a different story. Where the BMW’s comfort and refinement is conceded quite a bit to unlock its track potential, the Tesla is utterly uncompromised, besides having to find a Supercharger every 250 miles or so.
And ... ?
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@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@nzzp said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Tesla Model 3 has dropped here and in NZ.
Drive away price somewhere just under a BMW 3 Series for the standard model. 0-100 in 5.6s is handy.
Fully loaded, the performance model is still cheaper than an M3. And 0-100 in 3.4s will take some beating.
I've often wondered how many performance car drivers will choose a Tesla over the more traditional vehicles. There is so much more to performance cars than 0-100 times and power. Don't get me wrong, it's a huge part of it, but a perfectly balanced car will beat a poorly distributed car 10/10 for driving fun. I've not a driven a Tesla in about 2.5 years now, but Model S P85D and the roadster were both phenomenal for accelaration, but that was literally it for driving experiences. The weight of the batteries killed any handling / feel.
Top Gear compared the Model 3 Performance to a similarly priced Beamer and it came out ahead. EDIT: did a quarter mile, 0-100-0, drift, and race circuit.
Apparently the quality and driveability in the Model 3 Performance is making some Model S drivers jump ship.
Found the article Nick, it's interesting stuff:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/calling-elons-bluff-tesla-model-3-vs-bmw-m3#11
So overall it's 3-1 to the Tesla. However for me, the final paragraph is telling, and more in synch with what I've been reading.
"But here’s the crunch: taking into account the repeatability of performance, the overall agility and the endorphin rush, it’s the BMW I’d take for one last lap of Thunderhill."
... and the next sentence is
Out on the road it’s a different story. Where the BMW’s comfort and refinement is conceded quite a bit to unlock its track potential, the Tesla is utterly uncompromised, besides having to find a Supercharger every 250 miles or so.
And ... ?
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@nzzp said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Tesla Model 3 has dropped here and in NZ.
Drive away price somewhere just under a BMW 3 Series for the standard model. 0-100 in 5.6s is handy.
Fully loaded, the performance model is still cheaper than an M3. And 0-100 in 3.4s will take some beating.
I've often wondered how many performance car drivers will choose a Tesla over the more traditional vehicles. There is so much more to performance cars than 0-100 times and power. Don't get me wrong, it's a huge part of it, but a perfectly balanced car will beat a poorly distributed car 10/10 for driving fun. I've not a driven a Tesla in about 2.5 years now, but Model S P85D and the roadster were both phenomenal for accelaration, but that was literally it for driving experiences. The weight of the batteries killed any handling / feel.
Top Gear compared the Model 3 Performance to a similarly priced Beamer and it came out ahead. EDIT: did a quarter mile, 0-100-0, drift, and race circuit.
Apparently the quality and driveability in the Model 3 Performance is making some Model S drivers jump ship.
Found the article Nick, it's interesting stuff:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/calling-elons-bluff-tesla-model-3-vs-bmw-m3#11
So overall it's 3-1 to the Tesla. However for me, the final paragraph is telling, and more in synch with what I've been reading.
"But here’s the crunch: taking into account the repeatability of performance, the overall agility and the endorphin rush, it’s the BMW I’d take for one last lap of Thunderhill."
... and the next sentence is
Out on the road it’s a different story. Where the BMW’s comfort and refinement is conceded quite a bit to unlock its track potential, the Tesla is utterly uncompromised, besides having to find a Supercharger every 250 miles or so.
And ... ?
the piece you quoted indicated they concluded the M3 was preferred. It was - for track work, just - but the next sentence pointed out that the Model 3 didn't compromise for day to day.
The article was an interesting read. Electric are fun to drive, but totally different to petrol.
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@nzzp for the performance piece, they did.
My point was that I’m not sure how many performance drivers are switching to electric based on numbers as it’s so much more than that.
To acknowledge your point tho I must say it does surprise me. Modern m cars with the adaptive suspension are beautiful on the road.
