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@Siam said in The Folau Factor:
yet he's trangressed no crown laws.
Don't see what relevance that has to employment law.
Emailing naked midgets between consenting adults breaks no laws, but would get me fired at my place of work despite the complete lack of a specific clause re: naked midgets. The terms of my employment are based around what is fairly accepted as appropriate behaviour. So were Folau's.
I don't think he should necessarily be vilified, but IMHO and as @barbarian says: he's a fluffybunny for going down the crowd funding route, and IMHO anyone who supports him doing that can get equally fucked sideways
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@Damo said in The Folau Factor:
That's a long post so I won't respond to all.
My understanding is that in the 48 hours after the post RA tried to reach out to Folau again and again but he wouldn't pick up the phone. They asked his manager to get him to take the post down and even reached out through Cheika and others. They tried everything they could to get him to take it down, up to and including at the hearing.
Folau didn't want to take the post down. He said and says he doesn't have to. RA says he had to because it's a breach of the contract he signed. That's a fundamental dispute which cannot be solved except by a hearing.
Be interesting to see what happens. The issues are whether or not the post was a breach of contract, and if it was, whether that part of the contract is enforceable.
As previously stated he didn't just post a quote from (whatever version of) the bible either. He wrapped it in other terms. IF he had simply posted a bible verse his argument would be stronger.
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@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@Siam said in The Folau Factor:
yet he's trangressed no crown laws.
Don't see what relevance that has to employment law.
Emailing naked midgets between consenting adults breaks no laws, but would get me fired at my place of work despite the complete lack of a specific clause re: naked midgets. The terms of my employment are based around what is fairly accepted as appropriate behaviour. So were Folau's.
I don't think he should necessarily be vilified, but IMHO and as @barbarian says: he's a fluffybunny for going down the crowd funding route, and IMHO anyone who supports him doing that can get equally fucked sideways
You've done your research. Sensible.
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@Catogrande in a nearly-12 year span at my current employer, I've made several moves that would be career-ending for a mere drone.
As it is, I have enough of the crucial passwords and information to make them merely career-limiting 😉
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
100 percent with Drew
Nah that's fucked up. Completely uncalled for. So he can't use GoFundMe because there are more worthy causes?
Who said that?
Not Drew, nor me.
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@Damo said in The Folau Factor:
Everyone is allowed to publicly criticise the actions of others. No doubt people will criticise Drew. You might even do so yourself, and no-one will censor you for doing so.
Is that you being ironic, Mr Fooloo?
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@Bones said in The Folau Factor:
ARU should crowdfund for their defence. I'd be in.
What’s stopping you from cutting a cheque?
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Folau claimed people like me are condemned to Hell. If there is a Hell, surely it’s a Soviet-style tyranny where people lose their jobs for quoting The Bible. That’s where we are, so even though I strongly oppose his viewpoint, I’m going to contribute. Feel free to hate me.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
100 percent with Drew
Nah that's fucked up. Completely uncalled for. So he can't use GoFundMe because there are more worthy causes?
Completely asinine from Mitchell.
If when this bloke negotiated his Toulon contract he asked for $x00,000 per year, and their brass came back with the average salary for a nurse, aged healthcare worker and firefighter and said we can't pay you anymore than these - he would have copped that?
Celebrity is different, no shit.
You can't deny from a PR perspective this was a clear misstep.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in The Folau Factor:
@Bones said in The Folau Factor:
ARU should crowdfund for their defence. I'd be in.
What’s stopping you from cutting a cheque?
Only the fact I seem to have misplaced my cheque book somewhere in the previous century.
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
100 percent with Drew
Nah that's fucked up. Completely uncalled for. So he can't use GoFundMe because there are more worthy causes?
Who said that?
Not Drew, nor me.
Um. Yes he did.
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Fark he's nearly cracked 500k.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
100 percent with Drew
Nah that's fucked up. Completely uncalled for. So he can't use GoFundMe because there are more worthy causes?
Who said that?
Not Drew, nor me.
Um. Yes he did.
Where?
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@rotated said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
100 percent with Drew
Nah that's fucked up. Completely uncalled for. So he can't use GoFundMe because there are more worthy causes?
Completely asinine from Mitchell.
If when this bloke negotiated his Toulon contract he asked for $x00,000 per year, and their brass came back with the average salary for a nurse, aged healthcare worker and firefighter and said we can't pay you anymore than these - he would have copped that?
Celebrity is different, no shit.
You can't deny from a PR perspective this was a clear misstep
I can’t even see how that’s related.
Mitchell’s point is that Folau is asking people to pay for the consequences of his own decisions.
And pointing out how much of an arse it makes him, especially when his campaign is surrounded by children who are suffering from things they didn’t choose to get.
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
100 percent with Drew
Nah that's fucked up. Completely uncalled for. So he can't use GoFundMe because there are more worthy causes?
Who said that?
Not Drew, nor me.
Um. Yes he did.
Where?
Really? Did you actually read his entire Tweet?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
100 percent with Drew
Nah that's fucked up. Completely uncalled for. So he can't use GoFundMe because there are more worthy causes?
Who said that?
Not Drew, nor me.
Um. Yes he did.
Where?
Really? Did you actually read his entire Tweet?
Yes. He doesn’t say he can’t use it for this. He says he’s a fluffybunny for using it like this.
Same as what @barbarian says above.
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
100 percent with Drew
Nah that's fucked up. Completely uncalled for. So he can't use GoFundMe because there are more worthy causes?
Who said that?
Not Drew, nor me.
Um. Yes he did.
Where?
Really? Did you actually read his entire Tweet?
Yes. He doesn’t say he can’t use it for this. He says he’s a fluffybunny for using it like this.
Same as what @barbarian says above.
He wrote: "You think you deserve donations more than they do."
Where did he even say that or imply that? Mitchell's essentially saying that by starting the GoFundMe page he's telling people not to give money to them but to him. That's fucked up. Phonglau can go hang for all I care, but Mitchell is still a fluffy bunny for saying that.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in The Folau Factor:
there is a Hell, surely it’s a Soviet-style tyranny where people lose their jobs for quoting The Bible. That’s where we are,
That statement is about as detatched from reality as Folau himself.
He deserves your money.
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
I can’t even see how that’s related.
When you contrast professional athletes with real people in tough or tragic situation it is never terribly a good look. That is what Mitchell has tried to do with his post but it just shows a lack of self reflection.
Posting the Go Fund Me is a bit tacky in my opinion, but hey there seem to be many people out there willing to back it. But I don't think for a second that he is taking money from these other causes, I don't think people scroll through the site looking to give money away at random. People have gone there specifically to donate to him as it's the primary method for collecting funds for this type of thing.
Given we don't have all the facts in the case I would prefer to see this go to the courts. If Folau were to win he would not be asking people to "pay for the consequences of his mistakes" he would be asking people to help him defend his (and in turn others) human rights.
Sports requiring athletes to support cultural positions