CWC Semi Final - Black Caps v India
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
So excuse my naivety here but supposing it's a nice day do the BCs go in, bat for four overs then India go in ? is that how it works or will duckworth lewis be playing a part ?
As @Donsteppa says, play resumes as is and we finish our innings and India get 50 overs. Rain is likely again so DLS could well be involved.
Frustrating but hopefully the pitch has turned into a minefield with the moisture and if we can limp our way to 240-250. We will have to bowl them out though, their batting lineup will get that on most days.
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Our only hope is Trent Boult skittles the Indians quickly.
This is also one of the worst CWC tournaments, except for that time in the West Indies when the CWC went on for about six months.
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@Sneakdefreak said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
Our only hope is Trent Boult skittles the Indians quickly.
This is also one of the worst CWC tournaments, except for that time in the West Indies when the CWC went on for about six months.
I think the drop in quality directly correlates with the Black Caps massive drop in form. I was loving it a few weeks ago.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
@Sneakdefreak said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
Our only hope is Trent Boult skittles the Indians quickly.
This is also one of the worst CWC tournaments, except for that time in the West Indies when the CWC went on for about six months.
I think the drop in quality directly correlates with the Black Caps massive drop in form. I was loving it a few weeks ago.
The rained out matches has ruined it but that's the risk of playing in England.
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@Sneakdefreak said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
@Sneakdefreak said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
Our only hope is Trent Boult skittles the Indians quickly.
This is also one of the worst CWC tournaments, except for that time in the West Indies when the CWC went on for about six months.
I think the drop in quality directly correlates with the Black Caps massive drop in form. I was loving it a few weeks ago.
The rained out matches has ruined it but that's the risk of playing in England.
"Oh it has been unseasonally wet!" I hear
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@NTA said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
@Sneakdefreak said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
@Sneakdefreak said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
Our only hope is Trent Boult skittles the Indians quickly.
This is also one of the worst CWC tournaments, except for that time in the West Indies when the CWC went on for about six months.
I think the drop in quality directly correlates with the Black Caps massive drop in form. I was loving it a few weeks ago.
The rained out matches has ruined it but that's the risk of playing in England.
"Oh it has been unseasonally wet!" I hear
It has! It’s normally shit but has been proper shit.
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@Sneakdefreak said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
This is also one of the worst CWC tournaments, except for that time in the West Indies when the CWC went on for about six months.
I reckon it's been awesome. Lots of high quality games, the best teams don't miss the knockouts (even with rain), and there's cricket just about every day.
That West Indies one was bizarre - too long, too complicated, and just general weirdness. Was that the one where the Pakistan coach Bob Woolmer passed away? And there was that long Super 8 where you carried points, and a minnow like Ireland (or Kenya) got through?
this one is clean; if you're good enough, you get there
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
the best teams don't miss the knockouts (even with rain)
I'd argue that the rain directly affected 4th place:
7th June Pakistan get rained off against Sri Lanka - tho while Pakistan were clearly the better team through the tournament, they'd just been humbled by WI.
13th June NZ get rained off against India - and looking at the form guide you'd say that is a definite loss for NZ, which would take them out of contention.
Of course the permutations from there are all academic.
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@NTA said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
the best teams don't miss the knockouts (even with rain)
I'd argue that the rain directly affected 4th place:
7th June Pakistan get rained off against Sri Lanka - tho while Pakistan were clearly the better team through the tournament, they'd just been humbled by WI.
13th June NZ get rained off against India - and looking at the form guide you'd say that is a definite loss for NZ, which would take them out of contention.
Of course the permutations from there are all academic.
Definitely. Windies started with a hiss and a roar and looked a real chance for a semi spot.....for one game....
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Rain has been the single biggest factor in getting NZ to CWC semi finals
India dust up NZ if their game isn't rain affected, hence NZ get an extra point they weren't getting
Pakistan also were odds on to beat Sri Lanka as well
Even yesterday NZ gets an extra day to hope and pray for a miracle
India spent last night getting wasted or Boult skitling 4-5 guys -
@Sneakdefreak said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
Our only hope is Trent Boult skittles the Indians quickly.
This is also one of the worst CWC tournaments, except for that time in the West Indies when the CWC went on for about six months.
Much better than four years ago which was a really bad tournament.
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@NTA said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
the best teams don't miss the knockouts (even with rain)
I'd argue that the rain directly affected 4th place:
7th June Pakistan get rained off against Sri Lanka - tho while Pakistan were clearly the better team through the tournament, they'd just been humbled by WI.
13th June NZ get rained off against India - and looking at the form guide you'd say that is a definite loss for NZ, which would take them out of contention.
Of course the permutations from there are all academic.
God is with us. It says so in our anthem.
Of course, you probably haven't seen the little publicised verse about "only as far as the semis"!
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I'd like to thank Guptil for a great nights sleep.
After winning the toss and electing to bat, I settled into the couch with Blanky.
I watched the first two overs and was happy with what was happening as when Guptil is against the ropes he can sometimes take a few overs to get settled and understand what the pitch is doing.
Then he gets a ball that any other day he leans back and carves over point or "pulls straight" down the ground. So he leans back an prods his bat away from his body and gives catching practice.
I swore at the TV, turned it off and went to bed. Slept like a log not caring about the result.
Not out turn, this time, lads
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@NTA said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
God is with us. It says so in our anthem.
It says "God Defend New Zealand" because you don't have a military.
Its says "girt by sea" because the rest of the world hopes it'll choke you to death
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@dogmeat said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
@NTA said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
God is with us. It says so in our anthem.
It says "God Defend New Zealand" because you don't have a military.
Its says "girt by sea" because the rest of the world hopes it'll choke you to death
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@Jaguares4real said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
Pakistan also were odds on to beat Sri Lanka as well
Famous last words.
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@NTA said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
@nzzp said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
the best teams don't miss the knockouts (even with rain)
I'd argue that the rain directly affected 4th place:
Absolutely.
But we're arguing about teams making up the numbers, on the fringe. Both us and Pakistan had our chances to qualify, and neither of us are top drawer. You could have thrown a rain washout at any of the top 3 against Afghanistan, and they'd still qualify.
I'm far happier with this tournament format, than (say) the South African world cup where one washout and a surprise loss could cost good teams the chance of post-season play. In this tourney, you should play every side, so really have no one to blame but yourself.
Besides, we're in bonus territory now. Forcing india to a second day ... that's good work from the boys
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v India - Semi Final:
I'm far happier with this tournament format, than (say) the South African world cup where one washout and a surprise loss could cost good teams the chance of post-season play. In this tourney, you should play every side, so really have no one to blame but yourself.
The 1999/2003 World Cup wasn't a bad format - it was just they scheduled a bunch of Kenya and Zimbabwe fixtures which ended up in forfeits and Baz and Cairns doing shirtless Hakas in Durban nightclubs. The only functional issue was at least two major nations missed the Super Six stage which ended their tournament very prematurely.
The 1992/2019 format has it's issues; those mainly being at the fringes where a NR mid-game against England absolutely got Pakistan in the finals in 1992 and arguably kept them out this tournament.
In many ways the 1996/2015 format is the best; most teams play each other and you get more winner-take-all-fixtures. But it is probably the least likely to turn out the best team as champion given the three knockout rounds and many pool matches are low stakes.
