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<p>"New Zealand. Australia's Australia." Ouch </p>
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<p>I've found in my limited experience with a couple of higher profile 'controversial' issues up this way is that those in opposition scream the loudest, claim to have so much support, yet when it comes down to it, don't appear to have it.</p>
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<p>Is the country really that apathetic about this? Or was he selectively quoting?</p>
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<p>I think a lot of people are at the moment. When we see the final four designs and the final two designs go head to head, I think people will care.</p> -
<p>FYI, out of my own interest I checked wikipedia and there's a really good entry about the <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Canadian_Flag_Debate'>Great Canadian Flag Debate</a>. The Conservatives bitterly opposed. It was forced from Parliament to a Committee. Their recommendations were brought back to the House of Commons where the Conservatives dug their heels in for six weeks debate and filibuster, and it was eventually passed in 1965.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><span style="font-size:14px;">In 1958, an extensive poll was taken of the attitudes that adult Canadians held toward the flag. Of those who expressed opinions, <span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong>over 80% wanted a national flag entirely different from that of any other nation</strong></span>, and 60% wanted their flag to bear the maple leaf.</span>
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<p>Personally, I believe people are generally resistant to change and the NZ flag will stay the same. Only flag I see defeating it is the black banner with silver fern, but I don't see that happening unless there's a groundswell of support as above.</p> -
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"> <strong><span style="font-size:24px;">Four alternative flag designs to be announced </span></strong>
<div><span style="font-size:14px;">The final four alternative flag designs will be released tomorrow - as a new poll shows nearly half of voters are open to a change.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;"><strong>Those numbers could shift further after All Black captain Richie McCaw revealed he wants a change to a design with the silver fern</strong> - a symbol also favoured by Prime Minister John Key.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">"I think it's great that there is a debate about it. <strong>The silver fern is what it means to be a Kiwi and wearing the black jersey, so I am obviously biased in that regard," McCaw told 3News.</strong></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;"><img src="http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/201536/GettyImages-485987744_620x311.jpg" alt="GettyImages-485987744_620x311.jpg"></span></div>
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<div><strong><span style="font-size:14px;">"The silver fern means a lot when you are playing for the All Blacks, something like that probably wouldn't hurt."</span></strong></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">A long-list of 40 alternative flag designs already released by a flag consideration panel has now been whittled down to a shortlist of four.</span></div>
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;">Cabinet was shown the designs today, and Prime Minister John Key said they were "excellent", and he would choose three of them over the current flag.</span></p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11505765'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11505765</a></p> -
<p>Just on the Canadian flag I was looking at an exhibit on it the other day (50 years old this year) and it seems like the flag that actually was used and went most of the way in the debate was slightly different to the one they have now. Then when they got near the end they tidied it up to what we know today.</p>
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<p>That's kind of where I am with this one. I want a Silver Fern flag, but I don't want THAT single silver fern flag that made the cut. I wish they could adjust the design of it.</p> -
<p><img src="http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2015/08/10/102907455-Flag_designs_40.530x298.jpg?v=1439209032" alt="102907455-Flag_designs_40.530x298.jpg?v="></p>
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<p>It will be interesting to see the 4. I wonder if they have settled on variations of a theme or 4 different designs.</p>
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<p>I like the combo ones with the Silver Fern in the top left and the Southern Cross, but am undecided on the colouring I like best. At first I liked the red/white/blue version (the more conservative option) but the one with the black corner is growing on me.</p> -
<p><a><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNxUF6VUcAA-2Vi.jpg" alt="CNxUF6VUcAA-2Vi.jpg"></a><a><img src="http://cdnmo.coveritlive.com/media/image/201508/phpz8ea4e4.-alofi-kanter-silver-fern-black-and-white.jpg" alt="phpz8ea4e4.-alofi-kanter-silver-fern-bla"></a><a><img src="http://cdnmo.coveritlive.com/media/image/201508/1600_php2atlgcimage1_2.jpg" alt="1600_php2atlgcimage1_2.jpg"></a></p>
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<p>If we change the flag I want it to somehow show a unified nation. Having a Black and White flag doesn't do this for me.</p>
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<p>Hate the National/Labour flag too</p>
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<p>I can see what you have post, Crucial? Is it our current flag?</p>
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<p>As usual the Stuff comments as the unveiling was going on trotted out every cliche in the book.</p>
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<p>"look, others in the world are laughing at us"</p>
<p>"looks like a kid has been playing with crayons"</p>
<p>"should spend the money on something else"</p>
<p>"looks like a rugby theme"</p>
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<p>If this is really indicative of how people think it shows just how much most people rely on talkback hosts for their thought processes.</p>
