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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Winger" data-cid="513874" data-time="1441573114">
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<p>This looks great</p>
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<p><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COPMZLGUEAAkkV6.jpg" alt="COPMZLGUEAAkkV6.jpg"></p>
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<p>I dont like it.</p> -
<p><img src="http://www.patchprint.co.nz/uploaded_images/NZ-Made-logo-716836.jpg" alt="NZ-Made-logo-716836.jpg"></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="red terror" data-cid="513846" data-time="1441551415">
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<p>I like the red peak, yet it looks more like a corporate trail marker or a boy-scout banner (someone else mentioned road marker) than it does an emblematic national flag. What makes it work is that it has perfect triangles and the composition (weight) is balanced. It doesn't need to be modified. But I can't say I love it.</p>
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<p>I don't think it will be loved straight off. But its been pointed out earlier that the Canadian flag by example was not universally liked, in fact there were many that hated it. Yet it is iconic now, and loved</p> -
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This looks great<br><br><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COPMZLGUEAAkkV6.jpg" alt="COPMZLGUEAAkkV6.jpg"></p></blockquote>
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Yes, if NZ was the name of a company that makes mountaineering equipment. -
<p>So no one wants anything that looks like it may be a 'logo'. Fair enough, that just leaves traditional style bands of colours and I have the perfect solution...</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.qualmark.co.nz/'>http://www.qualmark.co.nz/</a></p>
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<p>Yes, if NZ was the name of a company that makes mountaineering equipment.</p>
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<p>Beats NZ looking like a company that makes plastic plates ;)</p>
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<p>Had you ever seen those plastic plates before? Or is it just because it has been plastered all over social media? </p>
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<p>It just highlights how shit the design is. "Oh look I stuck a silver fern and the southern cross together. Job done!".</p>
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<p>Edit - and that design makes up <strong>two</strong> of our final four. And people wonder why there is so much opposition?!</p> -
<p>On the flip side, it's jolly good to see some debate going around now about the new flag.</p>
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<p>I was working out yesterdays plan with my 3 year old son yesterday. Swimming, scooting or the beach were the options. He said swimming at the beach, which I thought was a good idea. So we got to the beach and saw others kids on scooters, he said he wanted to go scooting now.. I pointed out to him that before when I said go scooting, he said nothing, so we went to the beach. He then proceeded to shout the house down.</p>
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<p>I wonder how many of the pro-red-peak team, would have a go at me for not being able to read his mind and bring his scooter.</p> -
<p>And that is the flaw of a panel of 12 people choosing 4 flags that 4 million people are happy with. An impossible task.</p>
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<p>so how should it be done?</p>
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<p>Parliament just select a flag for the 4 million people? get a panel of 12 people to choose it from hundreds of submissions? Let everyone vote on all 300 (or however many) submissions?</p>
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<p>Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there is a better way, more that no matter what you do it is going to be an impossible task to make everyone happy. Democracy doesn't work very well for a process like this - it will always be controversial just as it was when Canada changed their flag.</p>
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<p>My only sticking point is that 2 of the final 4 designs are the same. That's a poor decision IMO.</p> -
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<p>So no one wants anything that looks like it may be a 'logo'. Fair enough, that just leaves traditional style bands of colours and I have the perfect solution...</p>
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<p><img src="http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/i/it_rom98.gif" alt="it_rom98.gif"></p>
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<p>That looks like the bastard child of the Magpies and Canterbury, one part good, one part evil.</p> -
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<p>It just highlights how shit the design is. "Oh look I stuck a silver fern and the southern cross together. Job done!".</p>
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<p>Edit - and that design makes up <strong>two</strong> of our final four. And people wonder why there is so much opposition?!</p>
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<p>It does no such thing. How exactly does it show how supposedly shit the design is? </p>
<p>Because an obscure company uses it? That is some seriously dodgy logic. The NZ flag is used on logos.... does that make it a shit design?</p> -
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<p>BSG which one do you want as our flag?</p>
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<p>I haven't actually decided. I don't like the red peak one though. </p> -
<p>It shows how muddled the debate is though. You have some people arguing against the flag because it wasnt done by a 'designer'. then some people arguing agsinst the flag because soem of the designs are similar to a logo used by a company for palstic plates.. who would have used a designer.</p>
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<p>I find all of these arguments bullshit.</p>
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<p>You need one reason and one reason only to like or not like a flag or proposed flag. </p>
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<p>"I dont like it" Everything else is pretty much fluff or attempts to muddy the waters.</p>
