Hansen needs his head read
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@Catogrande said in Hansen needs his head read:
@sparky said in Hansen needs his head read:
I guess we are going to disagree about this one. But the 2015 team won a lot of admirers for the style in which they played the game and their manner off it e.g. SBW winning a global award for sportsmanship for giving away his medal. Dan Carter winning BBC overseas sports personality of the year.
Ultimately, the role of sports teams is to win. But the 2015 RWC winners (& the 1991+99Aussies, 2003 England, 1995+ 2007 South Africa) show you can win and be classy at same time. I'd like to think that whoever wins in 2019 has at least some of that.
So just the '87 and 2011 lot were a bit naff then?
gfys
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@jegga dunno, the 5 years I played over there, I dont recall a DG either, and we had an ex-England A first 5 in our team for a season too...everyone just wanted to run it.
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@jegga said in Hansen needs his head read:
@taniwharugby said in Hansen needs his head read:
@sparky said in Hansen needs his head read:
something British Under 12 sides are taught to do
I have coached kids rugby now for 9 seasons, this year U14, a DG has never featured in our gameplan, sure the kids love to do them instead of warming up properly, plus I have never seen any team in that time take one in a game, in fact I think I have seen only a few penalty goals.
Take out of that what you want.
Teaching drop goals to under 12s is perhaps a comment on english rugby.
Or perhaps only rugby in Sparky's neck of the woods. Not something I've ever seen...
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@taniwharugby said in Hansen needs his head read:
@jegga dunno, the 5 years I played over there, I dont recall a DG either, and we had an ex-England A first 5 in our team for a season too...everyone just wanted to run it.
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Samoa as I am half Samoan otherwise anyone other than the 6 Nations sides. Can't stand any of them.
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Wales, Japan, France
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@nzzp said in Hansen needs his head read:
@Billy-Webb said in Hansen needs his head read:
Reckon it is a stretch for the other teams - but not discounting that they will cause one or two upsets.
It's always the same. A decent forward pack that shows up and gets physical will have you in the game. Backs help, but anyone who can front physically will be competitive.
Doing it three weeks ina row, however, is more difficult
Forward pack + goal kicker.
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@jegga said in Hansen needs his head read:
@canefan said in Hansen needs his head read:
@dogmeat said in Hansen needs his head read:
I reckon NZ were favourites in 07/11 and 15. 2/3 aint so bad.
We def weren't overwhelming favourites in any of the other years although we would have been close to that in 91. Don't think anyone was favoured in 99 - bit like this year....
We were not great in the year preceding 2015 if I recall. Laurie failed to settle on his combinations
I'm pretty sure the aussies were favourites in 87 and 95 .
I'd call 1999 a choke, the other losses I don't think really stack up as chokes . Its quite odd to see every ab rwc loss considered to be a choke but if it means the teams are undeserving pretenders I'm cool with it I guess. Hard to argue with that logic.
1995 we were outsiders.
There's a really good article on the front page that explains it:
https://www.thesilverfern.com/posts/booboo/2019-08/best-of-rwc-episode-5
Very astute the bloke who wrote that.
New Zealand 45 v England 29
In retrospect it may surprise many that I include this match as an upset, but given the level of favouritism in the year leading up to the tournament where New Zealand were considered 5th placed outsiders at best, justifiably written off following a disappointing 1994 (a 2-nil loss to France at home, a disappointing draw in the third test against the Boks, albeit in a 2-nil series win, and the Gregan-Wilson Bledisloe loss), and England entering the tournament on the back of (unsurprisingly) massive Fleet Street hype as Five Nations Grand Slam champions this result surprised many.
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@booboo said in Hansen needs his head read:
@jegga said in Hansen needs his head read:
@canefan said in Hansen needs his head read:
@dogmeat said in Hansen needs his head read:
I reckon NZ were favourites in 07/11 and 15. 2/3 aint so bad.
We def weren't overwhelming favourites in any of the other years although we would have been close to that in 91. Don't think anyone was favoured in 99 - bit like this year....
We were not great in the year preceding 2015 if I recall. Laurie failed to settle on his combinations
I'm pretty sure the aussies were favourites in 87 and 95 .
I'd call 1999 a choke, the other losses I don't think really stack up as chokes . Its quite odd to see every ab rwc loss considered to be a choke but if it means the teams are undeserving pretenders I'm cool with it I guess. Hard to argue with that logic.
1995 we were outsiders.
There's a really good article on the front page that explains it:
https://www.thesilverfern.com/posts/booboo/2019-08/best-of-rwc-episode-5
Very astute the bloke who wrote that.
New Zealand 45 v England 29
In retrospect it may surprise many that I include this match as an upset, but given the level of favouritism in the year leading up to the tournament where New Zealand were considered 5th placed outsiders at best, justifiably written off following a disappointing 1994 (a 2-nil loss to France at home, a disappointing draw in the third test against the Boks, albeit in a 2-nil series win, and the Gregan-Wilson Bledisloe loss), and England entering the tournament on the back of (unsurprisingly) massive Fleet Street hype as Five Nations Grand Slam champions this result surprised many.
One thing that impressed me about the poms in that semi was that they didn’t give up and from memory even outscored us in the second half .
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@jegga said in Hansen needs his head read:
@booboo said in Hansen needs his head read:
@jegga said in Hansen needs his head read:
@canefan said in Hansen needs his head read:
@dogmeat said in Hansen needs his head read:
I reckon NZ were favourites in 07/11 and 15. 2/3 aint so bad.
We def weren't overwhelming favourites in any of the other years although we would have been close to that in 91. Don't think anyone was favoured in 99 - bit like this year....
We were not great in the year preceding 2015 if I recall. Laurie failed to settle on his combinations
I'm pretty sure the aussies were favourites in 87 and 95 .
I'd call 1999 a choke, the other losses I don't think really stack up as chokes . Its quite odd to see every ab rwc loss considered to be a choke but if it means the teams are undeserving pretenders I'm cool with it I guess. Hard to argue with that logic.
1995 we were outsiders.
There's a really good article on the front page that explains it:
https://www.thesilverfern.com/posts/booboo/2019-08/best-of-rwc-episode-5
Very astute the bloke who wrote that.
New Zealand 45 v England 29
In retrospect it may surprise many that I include this match as an upset, but given the level of favouritism in the year leading up to the tournament where New Zealand were considered 5th placed outsiders at best, justifiably written off following a disappointing 1994 (a 2-nil loss to France at home, a disappointing draw in the third test against the Boks, albeit in a 2-nil series win, and the Gregan-Wilson Bledisloe loss), and England entering the tournament on the back of (unsurprisingly) massive Fleet Street hype as Five Nations Grand Slam champions this result surprised many.
One thing that impressed me about the poms in that semi was that they didn’t give up and from memory even outscored us in the second half .
Couple of dodgy tries against a team slacking off.
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@jegga said in Hansen needs his head read:
@booboo said in Hansen needs his head read:
@jegga said in Hansen needs his head read:
@canefan said in Hansen needs his head read:
@dogmeat said in Hansen needs his head read:
I reckon NZ were favourites in 07/11 and 15. 2/3 aint so bad.
We def weren't overwhelming favourites in any of the other years although we would have been close to that in 91. Don't think anyone was favoured in 99 - bit like this year....
We were not great in the year preceding 2015 if I recall. Laurie failed to settle on his combinations
I'm pretty sure the aussies were favourites in 87 and 95 .
I'd call 1999 a choke, the other losses I don't think really stack up as chokes . Its quite odd to see every ab rwc loss considered to be a choke but if it means the teams are undeserving pretenders I'm cool with it I guess. Hard to argue with that logic.
1995 we were outsiders.
There's a really good article on the front page that explains it:
https://www.thesilverfern.com/posts/booboo/2019-08/best-of-rwc-episode-5
Very astute the bloke who wrote that.
New Zealand 45 v England 29
In retrospect it may surprise many that I include this match as an upset, but given the level of favouritism in the year leading up to the tournament where New Zealand were considered 5th placed outsiders at best, justifiably written off following a disappointing 1994 (a 2-nil loss to France at home, a disappointing draw in the third test against the Boks, albeit in a 2-nil series win, and the Gregan-Wilson Bledisloe loss), and England entering the tournament on the back of (unsurprisingly) massive Fleet Street hype as Five Nations Grand Slam champions this result surprised many.
One thing that impressed me about the poms in that semi was that they didn’t give up and from memory even outscored us in the second half .
Yes. Will Carling in particular.
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@booboo said in Hansen needs his head read:
@rotated said in Hansen needs his head read:
@dogmeat said in Hansen needs his head read:
I reckon NZ were favourites in 07/11 and 15. 2/3 aint so bad.
Bookies had us marginal favourites in 1999 and 2003 too, but nowhere near evens. But 'public' teams, like the ABs are always going to get the edge with the bookies so that may be deceiving.
Every loss in the tournament (perhaps with the exception of the 1999 bronze game) has been an upset.
Which bookies? NZ TAB? England were clear favs in '03.
Nah, I can't find the pretournament odds but this article after England beat Australia (the week after Wellington) still shows the UK bookies having us narrow $3 favourites.
The ABs hardly would have drifted out after putting 50 on the Boks and Wallabies and then winning the Bledisloe back.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=3508808
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@Crucial said in Hansen needs his head read:
Scotland (yeah right)
Anyone but England after that but …
Japan
France (you never know with these guys at a RWC)
I'd go for Argentina but the thought of the World champs playing 4 years of friendlies irritates me
Not Australia….actually I don't want anyone else to win
Agreed.
If pushed Boks.
Wouldn't respect anyone else in the morning!
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England.
France because 3 finals and no cup.
Wales because they’ve been playing well and despite the fact we’ll never hear the last of it.
Ireland.
No SH big 3, you’ve had it often enough. -
@Catogrande said in Hansen needs his head read:
England.
France because 3 finals and no cup.
Wales because they’ve been playing well and despite the fact we’ll never hear the last of it.
Ireland.
No SH big 3, you’ve had it often enough.It’s not a fucking participation award.
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@Catogrande said in Hansen needs his head read:
England.
France because 3 finals and no cup.
Wales because they’ve been playing well and despite the fact we’ll never hear the last of it.
Ireland.
No SH big 3, you’ve had it often enough.Anyone NH but Scotland?!
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@Crucial said in Hansen needs his head read:
@Catogrande said in Hansen needs his head read:
England.
France because 3 finals and no cup.
Wales because they’ve been playing well and despite the fact we’ll never hear the last of it.
Ireland.
No SH big 3, you’ve had it often enough.It’s not a fucking participation award.
May I refer you to a previous post that didn’t want the Boks to win ‘cos they’d be catching NZ up? Stop picking on me.
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