2019 Rugby World Cup
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@Mokey said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Of course I want the AB's to get the threepeat, but if not us, I'd like to see a new name on the cup. Probably Wales.
Gatland has been quietly going about his business, another country that loves rugby as much as us, I could buy that. But let's do the three peat
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@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
I'm convinced if we do three in a row, the RWC will be ruined.
nah fuck that. If we can beat Ireland, England, and Wales/SA in 3 weeks, then it's deserved.
Not ruined for us, ruined for everyone else. There'll be calls to change it: It doesn't mean anything. Proper comps have history where you have to play everyone once etc.
Actually, I reckon it will be better for international rugby in between years. Teams and coaches will start to have less of a focus on the RWC because, obviously, the ABs always win it and, therefore, hopefully the other tournaments and matches in between will become more important to them.
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@Hooroo said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@junior said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
A. B. E. Anyone but England.
Same!! Australia winning it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest and would prefer them over SA to win it.
Hmmmm... duly noted Hooroo
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@Bones I don't know but probably not.
Here is the relevant info from the WR article.
The Brave Blossoms created history on Sunday after a 28-21 victory over Scotland saw them top Pool A and progress to the quarter-finals for the first time. The win, their first ever over Scotland, also helped them climb above France into seventh place in the World Rugby Men’s Rankings – their highest ever position since the rankings were introduced in October 2003. Japan now sit only 1.44 points behind Australia in sixth with the top eight in the rankings mirroring the eight nations who will contest the Rugby World Cup 2019 quarter-finals on 20-21 October. Scotland remain ninth after the loss, although their advantage over Argentina has been slashed from almost 3.83 rating points to just over nine tenths after Los Pumas ended their campaign with a 47-17 victory over USA earlier in the week. Tonga, meanwhile, have jumped three places to 13th on the back of their 31-19 victory over USA in Higashiosaka City. The Eagles drop four places to 17th after suffering two defeats in a row, with Spain climbing to a new high of 16th as a result.
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@Bovidae said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
The latest rankings. Well done Japan.
So do we swap out Argentina for Japan in the Rugby Championship?
Or, even better - can we include Japan and make it 5 teams? -
@Billy-Webb said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Hooroo said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@junior said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
A. B. E. Anyone but England.
Same!! Australia winning it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest and would prefer them over SA to win it.
Hmmmm... duly noted Hooroo
Then South Africa before any of the Northern lot. 😎
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@Billy-Webb said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Bovidae said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
The latest rankings. Well done Japan.
So do we swap out Argentina for Japan in the Rugby Championship?
Or, even better - can we include Japan and make it 5 teams?Add Fiji and we have our own 6 nations.
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@Hooroo said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Billy-Webb said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Hooroo said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@junior said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
A. B. E. Anyone but England.
Same!! Australia winning it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest and would prefer them over SA to win it.
Hmmmm... duly noted Hooroo
Then South Africa before any of the Northern lot. 😎
Ok, you're back on my I'll-buy-you-a-beer list... just
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@chimoaus said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Billy-Webb said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Bovidae said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
The latest rankings. Well done Japan.
So do we swap out Argentina for Japan in the Rugby Championship?
Or, even better - can we include Japan and make it 5 teams?Add Fiji and we have our own 6 nations.
East-West travel is worse than North-South for jet lag. Therefore South Africa should move to join the 6 Nations (replacing Italy?) and we should add Fiji and Japan to the Rugby Championship.
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Here is some general historical analysis, and NZ-focussed analysis of drop-goals in the RWC knockout stages.
- 78% of all dropgoals taken in the RWC knockout stages have been by the winning team in that match
- Surprisingly, NZ have actually scored 22% of all dropgoals taken in the RWC knockout stages.
(I'm not sure if this in an outlier or not? NZ have payed in 34% of all the RWC knockout matches) - 88% of NZ's dropgoals have resulted in a winning effort (the only one that didn't was Mehrtens' DG in the 1995 final)
- Only 2 teams have won a RWC without scoring a DG at some stage during their knockout games. South Africa in 2007 and Australia in 1991. (Quite a surprising stat for SAF in 2007 with Morne Steyn at 10 and the style in vogue during those years)
Out of 56 knockout matches in history. 23 of these matches have involved (at leasat one) dropgoal. 41% chance of seeing a DG, 59% chance of no DG
(Note: I don't include 3rd v 4th playoff as a knockout)
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@Rapido said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
- Only 2 teams have won a RWC without scoring a DG at some stage during their knockout games. South Africa in 2007 and Australia in 1991. (Quite a suriprising stat for SAF in 2007 with Morne Steyn at 10 and the style in vogue during thos years)
Amazing stats all round - but that 2007 SA stat is mindblowing especially with Frans Steyn going into that tournament dropping goals from 50m+ out semi-regularly.
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I'm more astounded England only kicked 6 in 2003
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@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
I'm more astounded England only kicked 6 in 2003
In the knockout stages. Jonny also potted 3 more in pool play. 2 v South Africa, and 1 in a very tight game v Samoa.
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There have been 6 drop-goals so far in the 2019 world cup (Pool stages).
1 by Pollard in loss to NZ
1 by Biggar in Wales win over Australia
1 by Patchell also in Wales win over Australia
1 by Camille Lopez in France clutch win over Argentina
1 by Hogg in win over Samoa
1 by Yuri Kushnarev (of Russia)So, 4 out of the 6 were in clutch games (Knockout-like games) of the pool stages.
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But of course, none of my analysis includes missed drop-goals.
That would be interesting, but hard to find.
Some of the more recent wikipedia scorecards include missed DG attempts if the player also scored via that method.
E.g.- in 2007 quarterfinal - Hernandez potted 1 from 4 attempts in a winning effort v Scotland
- in 2007 semifinal - Wilkinson also potted 1 from 4 attempts in a winning effort v France
But you won't find 0 from 1 examples like a Trinh-Duc missed DG in 2011 finals very easily.
