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What actually happens with these letters? Assume they are not actually posted. If so, do they pay extra for tracking?
Or are they just emailed? From a POTUS account or an official White House a/c? Is POTUS allowed to send an email with that sort of content or does it have to be a letter?
Maybe they are faxed still!
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt You seriously see that letter as a positive? I genuinely thought it was satire.
I do. I havent seen any other letters from world leaders to each other, but that one is pretty clear and plainly spoken.
Some might think it isnt presidential enough, but I think ppoliticians are generally forked tongue dishonest fuckwits.. so I am not sure about this obsession for being more like them -
@voodoo said in US Politics:
What actually happens with these letters? Assume they are not actually posted. If so, do they pay extra for tracking?
Or are they just emailed? From a POTUS account or an official White House a/c? Is POTUS allowed to send an email with that sort of content or does it have to be a letter?
Maybe they are faxed still!
Well duh.. they are obviously leaked to the NYT and everyone knows Edrogen is a subscriber.
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@reprobate I thought it was very non-typical of what I would expect a presidential letter to be. On balance I think it is positive, clearly a plain straight talking politician resonates with many sick of the ultra slick double talk status quo.
If I were to put my Trump 4D chess hat on I'd say perhaps this 'leaked' only so msm would report on it thinking it a win to mock Trump (which they have, hell it was even on the advertising board of the elevator up to my floor this morning)..and in turn exposing more people to his exact words. Some will continue to think him a fool and continue to underestimate him, some will think "hang-on he actually seems like a normal bloke that I can identify with".
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Some people at my work (a non-representative sample to be sure) dislike Trump because he doesn't "speak well". That he doesn't act with enough subtlety. Therefore, he is an "idiot".
They loved Obama because he spoke well and acted the part. Very shallow reason - imo.
I think they don't know the difference between being street smart and book smart.
I prefer a grimy barbarian who understands the street level thinking of many other world leaders (China, Turkey, Russia) far, far, far better than some pontificating, slick elitist any day of the week.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
I'd say perhaps this 'leaked' only so msm would report on it thinking it a win to mock Trump
It was leaked to friendly, insignificant, but obedient media. Much like Obama used to leak exclusives as favours. That's not transparent. Thats the same old grubbiness.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt You seriously see that letter as a positive? I genuinely thought it was satire.
I do. I havent seen any other letters from world leaders to each other, but that one is pretty clear and plainly spoken.
Some might think it isnt presidential enough, but I think ppoliticians are generally forked tongue dishonest fuckwits.. so I am not sure about this obsession for being more like themTrump is pretty glaringly dishonest, and pretty much anyone with a reasonable education could write a clear straightforward letter without it sounding like they are of limited mental capacity. Surprised it didn't mention his 'great and unmatched wisdom' or whatever that tweet was.
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@reprobate Dishonesty is comparative, compared to most folk on the street yeah I'd say he's dishonest, compared to other politicians maybe less so.
Certainly he exaggerates for effect much like the tweet you referenced. From what I can tell these exaggerations serve 2 purposes.
- Attention and coverage which served him incredibly well to get elected
- Claiming ground in a deal ie door-in-the-face technique
..actually maybe also 3) To drive some people insane, he is the master troll
What was that quote from a while back - "Trump haters takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally". Fascinating guy nonetheless and proven many wrong.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt You seriously see that letter as a positive? I genuinely thought it was satire.
I do. I havent seen any other letters from world leaders to each other, but that one is pretty clear and plainly spoken.
Some might think it isnt presidential enough, but I think ppoliticians are generally forked tongue dishonest fuckwits.. so I am not sure about this obsession for being more like themTrump is pretty glaringly dishonest, and pretty much anyone with a reasonable education could write a clear straightforward letter without it sounding like they are of limited mental capacity. Surprised it didn't mention his 'great and unmatched wisdom' or whatever that tweet was.
Cool, tell me which politician is more honest than Trump
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback Cool, address the point don't make a new one. Trump is dishonest, demonstrably so.
There's no obsession with being like other politicians, it's in being like a decent normal person where he is lacking - in my great and unmatched humble opinion as a stable genius of course. -
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback Cool, address the point don't make a new one. Trump is dishonest, demonstrably so.
There's no obsession with being like other politicians, it's in being like a decent normal person where he is lacking - in my great and unmatched humble opinion as a stable genius of course.You don't get to decide what point I address.
Trump is as honest as any other politician. And that is relevant as it shows the hypocrisy of those who make some facile point about his supposed dishonesty. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback Actually it was you trying to decide what point I address 'tell me which politician...'.
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So you see @Rembrandt this is why there is no balance or varied viewpoints on the political forum. Comment accurately that Trump's letter reads like that of a child, get told it's honest; comment accurately that he's dishonest, get whatabouttery and accusations of being a social commentator who has crumbled in the face of that incredibly strong argument: hey, but other politicians are dishonest too.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
So you see @Rembrandt this is why there is no balance or varied viewpoints on the political forum. Comment accurately that Trump's letter reads like that of a child, get told it's honest; comment accurately that he's dishonest,
I don't see the issue here at all. You gave your opinion, others gave theirs. No one completely disagreed with the entirety of either of those statements, what they disagreed with was the scale and the intent. We don't all have to agree on a perspective, I don't mind people thinking he is acting like a dishonest child, hell that was my opinion back in 2016, its just not what I think anymore.
As for the rest, sure there are some 'elbows out' but no personal attacks (unless there is something deleted I'm missing?) and I don't see anyone arguing against a point you didn't make, fully understand getting out of it when that happens but I don't see it here.
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@Rembrandt Nah, the Baron referenced an obsession with Trump not being like other politicians, a point I never made and an opinion I do not hold; and whatabout other politicians of course.
Then Siam jumped in without debating any point whatsoever.
It's always like that, usually worse, and you just can't carry on a normal conversation under those circumstances, which is why everyone ditches the forum.
All I said is that the letter is childish, and that Trump is dishonest... and I'm right. But pointing that out isn't acceptable on here, hence the lack of varied viewpoints. -
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt Nah, the Baron referenced an obsession with Trump not being like other politicians, a point I never made and an opinion I do not hold; and whatabout other politicians of course.
Then Siam jumped in without debating any point whatsoever.
It's always like that, usually worse, and you just can't carry on a normal conversation under those circumstances, which is why everyone ditches the forum.
All I said is that the letter is childish, and that Trump is dishonest... and I'm right. But pointing that out isn't acceptable on here, hence the lack of varied viewpoints.Oh so all it takes for you to discuss politics is for others to bow down and agree with your truth....
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