Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****
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@Crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Tim said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@canefan I enjoy a cheap sci-fi movie from time to time, but these don't even have real jokes or even camp value.
Maybe, but when the lights come up and that soundtrack hits it feels like 1979 all over again
1977
..but yes
Yes, I stand corrected. First film I ever went to, and I was hooked
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Motherfuckers! How did I get dragged in to your bitch fight?
It's the written equivalent of a couple of skinny nerds slapping each other
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the trailer, and then this thread, got me thinking about my attitude to the upcoming movie (two-leg flight home from Melbourne provides a lot of time).
I'm not really all that excited. And that's weird, because i have been hanging out for every Star Wars movie since forever.
And i think I've narrowed it down to 2 things. Firstly, TLJ. Now, I'm not on the Rancid/MN5 level of hatred for it, as i've said, some of it was the best written and acted stuff in any Star Wars movie ever. But, as the 2nd movie of a trilogy, it has failed. How has it got me looking forward to the next chapter? What part of the story am i really hanging out to see?
I don't really know who the bad guy is. Or why they are bad. I don't even really know what the over-riding story is? Or why i need to care about any character that isn't Rey. And even then, what is she fighting?
The original trilogy isn't perfect, but fucking hell, Empire set Jedi up perfectly.
The 2nd part is, already this year i have seen Marvel absolutely nail a 10 year saga. The bar is set fucking high, and i just no what ever this movie is called (how bad is that?!) it is not going to measure up.
Oh, and also, a 3rd. I'm not interested in throwbacks. The Death Star and the Emperor in a teaser trailer seems stupid, not cool.
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@mariner4life said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
the trailer, and then this thread, got me thinking about my attitude to the upcoming movie (two-leg flight home from Melbourne provides a lot of time).
I'm not really all that excited. And that's weird, because i have been hanging out for every Star Wars movie since forever.
And i think I've narrowed it down to 2 things. Firstly, TLJ. Now, I'm not on the Rancid/MN5 level of hatred for it, as i've said, some of it was the best written and acted stuff in any Star Wars movie ever. But, as the 2nd movie of a trilogy, it has failed. How has it got me looking forward to the next chapter? What part of the story am i really hanging out to see?
I don't really know who the bad guy is. Or why they are bad. I don't even really know what the over-riding story is? Or why i need to care about any character that isn't Rey. And even then, what is she fighting?
The original trilogy isn't perfect, but fucking hell, Empire set Jedi up perfectly.
The 2nd part is, already this year i have seen Marvel absolutely nail a 10 year saga. The bar is set fucking high, and i just no what ever this movie is called (how bad is that?!) it is not going to measure up.
Oh, and also, a 3rd. I'm not interested in throwbacks. The Death Star and the Emperor in a teaser trailer seems stupid, not cool.
Yep, to be fair I'm in the same boat, almost exactly. The jury is still out for me on the Palpatine, that depends on the story.
JJ has been saying they have been leaving Palpatine clues in the earlier films, we'll see. If Snoke is Darth Plagueis it might work, but it would have been better to end TLJ with Rey and Ben teaming up and the last movie being about taking down Snoke.
And you are right about Endgame, they really stuck the landing on that which raises the bar for these type of films. You can't be lazy (like TLJ).
I'll still go see it. Even the Prequels were entertaining on some level, but that director really screwed the last one up. I see they are walking back talk about him having his own trilogy.
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@Kirwan oh, of course i will go. The kids would lynch me if i didn't. And no doubt i will be entertained as well. And there will be at least two shots that are breathtakingly cool.
And you never know, they might get it right, depending on the story.
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@Kirwan I don’t want to restart any shitfights but I don’t think you can call TLJ lazy, it’s anything but lazy. If he’d been lazy and mimicked Empire closely there wouldn’t have been the meltdown even though some of the same meltdowners were the ones complaining the Force Awakens was too close to the original. It clearly wasn’t what people wanted but I don’t think that is lazy.
I’m really looking forward to it as I liked TLJ (despite some stuff in it annoying me) and as much as I like Marvel it’s Star Wars that I grew up on.
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@Nepia said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan I don’t want to restart any shitfights but I don’t think you can call TLJ lazy, it’s anything but lazy. If he’d been lazy and mimicked Empire closely there wouldn’t have been the meltdown even though some of the same meltdowners were the ones complaining the Force Awakens was too close to the original. It clearly wasn’t what people wanted but I don’t think that is lazy.
I’m really looking forward to it as I liked TLJ (despite some stuff in it annoying me) and as much as I like Marvel it’s Star Wars that I grew up on.
If anything TLJ wasn't lazy, it tried too hard to do the set up for the end of the saga without giving too much away.
I think once the end is clear TLJ will show out as a lost opportunity as too much is now going to have to be introduced (for the movie only followers) in E9 . SW theorists have pretty much worked out a lot of the breadcrumbs but many are explained in the novels, comics and animated series. TLJ should have introduced a bit more of the concepts and not just the Luke as a projection bit.
Much is going to hinge around stuff that has not been introduced but has tie back clues. They say it is all going to be quite obvious in retrospect but for that to not look so manufactured there should have been some nod to in in E8.
While I agree that E8 wasn't what people wanted it wasn't (to me) for the reasons many have. I just think it has been a bit of a waste.End of is that E9 is going to complete the saga and the uber-nerds will get it far better than the movie only watchers. I might half get it from some of the other canon I have seen and seen explained.
I'm sure as hell not going to miss the ending though.
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@Tim said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
I don't, I just like to remind the 60 year old enthusiasts from time to time that they are paying for slop aimed at eight year olds.
8 is the new 14, and kids these days have plenty of thier parents money to spend, and if you capture them early enough, they'll continue spending from thier own $300,000 salaries when they leave school.
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TLJ was lazy in the sense they added story elements to counter expectations, not improve the story arc. I was using that term in comparison to the work Marvel put in tying up lose ends and completing character arcs, even if they were predictable - they still held weight.
When you have Hamill saying he didn't recognise the character you know you have messed up.
The mental image I have of that movie is Luke throwing away the lightsaber for a cheap laugh. For all the criticism TFA got, it set up some interesting questions to answer.
Johnson ran away from all of them. Hopefully, JJ will pick up the threads again for the last one.
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i quite liked broken, bitter Luke, and his views on the Jedi order. That seemed like a decent arc.
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@mariner4life yeah, that was the chance to reframe earlier Jedi approaches and paths for masters and almost masters that didn't work out.
I still can't get past the space warfare farce around those f'ing Resistance Bombers and the final sequence of Rose's sister. I can handle all manner of made up fantasy and sci-fi, and I know physics is a moveable feast but c'mon!
lol triggered just a tad.
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@mariner4life said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
i quite liked broken, bitter Luke, and his views on the Jedi order. That seemed like a decent arc.
That was fine, but the bit that Hamill didn't like was the part where he abandons his friends. It was a key part of the character that he dropped everything to help his friends/sister.
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This will be good news to many.
Game of Thrones creators David Benioff and D.B. Weiss have exited their planned Star Wars series over 18 months after Disney and Lucasfilm first announced they were joining. "We love Star Wars. When George Lucas built it, he built us too," Benioff and Weiss said in a statement. "Getting to talk about Star Wars with him and the current Star Wars team was the thrill of a lifetime, and we will always be indebted to the saga that changed everything. But there are only so many hours in the day, and we felt we could not do justice to both Star Wars and our Netflix projects. So we are regretfully stepping away."
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@Bovidae said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
This will be good news to many.
Game of Thrones creators David Benioff and D.B. Weiss have exited their planned Star Wars series over 18 months after Disney and Lucasfilm first announced they were joining. "We love Star Wars. When George Lucas built it, he built us too," Benioff and Weiss said in a statement. "Getting to talk about Star Wars with him and the current Star Wars team was the thrill of a lifetime, and we will always be indebted to the saga that changed everything. But there are only so many hours in the day, and we felt we could not do justice to both Star Wars and our Netflix projects. So we are regretfully stepping away."
Probably as good news as Johnson probably losing his trilogy too.
With the Star Wars crowd bringing in Kevin Feige it’s starting to feel like a course correction.
At least the Marvel movies do what they say on the tin, entertaining well made action/kids movies. Non offensive fun, like what Star Wars should be.
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
At least the Marvel movies do what they say on the tin, entertaining well made action/kids movies. Non offensive fun, like what Star Wars should be.
You get the feeling that the big difference between the first 3 films and the rest is that the original trilogy were essentially simple childrens/fantasy/sci fi films. Lucas got far too clever with 1,2 and 3. These latest 3 have been pretty polarizing
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
At least the Marvel movies do what they say on the tin, entertaining well made action/kids movies. Non offensive fun, like what Star Wars should be.
You get the feeling that the big difference between the first 3 films and the rest is that the original trilogy were essentially simple childrens/fantasy/sci fi films. Lucas got far too clever with 1,2 and 3. These latest 3 have been pretty polarizing
Yep, look at most Marvel films. Simple hero stories, like Star Wars used to be. K.I.S.S.