Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****
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@Kirwan I don’t want to restart any shitfights but I don’t think you can call TLJ lazy, it’s anything but lazy. If he’d been lazy and mimicked Empire closely there wouldn’t have been the meltdown even though some of the same meltdowners were the ones complaining the Force Awakens was too close to the original. It clearly wasn’t what people wanted but I don’t think that is lazy.
I’m really looking forward to it as I liked TLJ (despite some stuff in it annoying me) and as much as I like Marvel it’s Star Wars that I grew up on.
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@Nepia said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan I don’t want to restart any shitfights but I don’t think you can call TLJ lazy, it’s anything but lazy. If he’d been lazy and mimicked Empire closely there wouldn’t have been the meltdown even though some of the same meltdowners were the ones complaining the Force Awakens was too close to the original. It clearly wasn’t what people wanted but I don’t think that is lazy.
I’m really looking forward to it as I liked TLJ (despite some stuff in it annoying me) and as much as I like Marvel it’s Star Wars that I grew up on.
If anything TLJ wasn't lazy, it tried too hard to do the set up for the end of the saga without giving too much away.
I think once the end is clear TLJ will show out as a lost opportunity as too much is now going to have to be introduced (for the movie only followers) in E9 . SW theorists have pretty much worked out a lot of the breadcrumbs but many are explained in the novels, comics and animated series. TLJ should have introduced a bit more of the concepts and not just the Luke as a projection bit.
Much is going to hinge around stuff that has not been introduced but has tie back clues. They say it is all going to be quite obvious in retrospect but for that to not look so manufactured there should have been some nod to in in E8.
While I agree that E8 wasn't what people wanted it wasn't (to me) for the reasons many have. I just think it has been a bit of a waste.End of is that E9 is going to complete the saga and the uber-nerds will get it far better than the movie only watchers. I might half get it from some of the other canon I have seen and seen explained.
I'm sure as hell not going to miss the ending though.
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@Tim said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
I don't, I just like to remind the 60 year old enthusiasts from time to time that they are paying for slop aimed at eight year olds.
8 is the new 14, and kids these days have plenty of thier parents money to spend, and if you capture them early enough, they'll continue spending from thier own $300,000 salaries when they leave school.
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TLJ was lazy in the sense they added story elements to counter expectations, not improve the story arc. I was using that term in comparison to the work Marvel put in tying up lose ends and completing character arcs, even if they were predictable - they still held weight.
When you have Hamill saying he didn't recognise the character you know you have messed up.
The mental image I have of that movie is Luke throwing away the lightsaber for a cheap laugh. For all the criticism TFA got, it set up some interesting questions to answer.
Johnson ran away from all of them. Hopefully, JJ will pick up the threads again for the last one.
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i quite liked broken, bitter Luke, and his views on the Jedi order. That seemed like a decent arc.
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@mariner4life yeah, that was the chance to reframe earlier Jedi approaches and paths for masters and almost masters that didn't work out.
I still can't get past the space warfare farce around those f'ing Resistance Bombers and the final sequence of Rose's sister. I can handle all manner of made up fantasy and sci-fi, and I know physics is a moveable feast but c'mon!
lol triggered just a tad.
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@mariner4life said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
i quite liked broken, bitter Luke, and his views on the Jedi order. That seemed like a decent arc.
That was fine, but the bit that Hamill didn't like was the part where he abandons his friends. It was a key part of the character that he dropped everything to help his friends/sister.
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This will be good news to many.
Game of Thrones creators David Benioff and D.B. Weiss have exited their planned Star Wars series over 18 months after Disney and Lucasfilm first announced they were joining. "We love Star Wars. When George Lucas built it, he built us too," Benioff and Weiss said in a statement. "Getting to talk about Star Wars with him and the current Star Wars team was the thrill of a lifetime, and we will always be indebted to the saga that changed everything. But there are only so many hours in the day, and we felt we could not do justice to both Star Wars and our Netflix projects. So we are regretfully stepping away."
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@Bovidae said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
This will be good news to many.
Game of Thrones creators David Benioff and D.B. Weiss have exited their planned Star Wars series over 18 months after Disney and Lucasfilm first announced they were joining. "We love Star Wars. When George Lucas built it, he built us too," Benioff and Weiss said in a statement. "Getting to talk about Star Wars with him and the current Star Wars team was the thrill of a lifetime, and we will always be indebted to the saga that changed everything. But there are only so many hours in the day, and we felt we could not do justice to both Star Wars and our Netflix projects. So we are regretfully stepping away."
Probably as good news as Johnson probably losing his trilogy too.
With the Star Wars crowd bringing in Kevin Feige it’s starting to feel like a course correction.
At least the Marvel movies do what they say on the tin, entertaining well made action/kids movies. Non offensive fun, like what Star Wars should be.
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
At least the Marvel movies do what they say on the tin, entertaining well made action/kids movies. Non offensive fun, like what Star Wars should be.
You get the feeling that the big difference between the first 3 films and the rest is that the original trilogy were essentially simple childrens/fantasy/sci fi films. Lucas got far too clever with 1,2 and 3. These latest 3 have been pretty polarizing
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
At least the Marvel movies do what they say on the tin, entertaining well made action/kids movies. Non offensive fun, like what Star Wars should be.
You get the feeling that the big difference between the first 3 films and the rest is that the original trilogy were essentially simple childrens/fantasy/sci fi films. Lucas got far too clever with 1,2 and 3. These latest 3 have been pretty polarizing
Yep, look at most Marvel films. Simple hero stories, like Star Wars used to be. K.I.S.S.
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I know it has been mentioned on another thread, but how cool is the Mandalorian?
Bitch and moan all you like about the Skywalker saga movies going off kilter but you can't deny the rich universe for storytelling that Lucas and following directors/writers etc created. What other franchise or entertainment vehicle has this level of detailed universe? GoT may be a candidate but TV wise it is two dimensional compared to SW.
Yep, with the third trilogy the plan got messy. Primarily because there was no plan, but this formula of making it up within this galaxy while following on and adding to what already exists is exactly what has created this richness.
Yep, Marvel made a cohesive set of movies but they had that slate to draft it all out and sometimes totally ignore even the comics the franchise was built on. With SW they could only try by resetting the canon which annoyed many.
Mandalorian has gone back to the original SW formula of taking an old and successful genre and re-inventing it in a galaxy far far away.
We haven't seen good westerns in ages because the world they existed in has been done to death. Using the SW universe offers up a big area to cotinue.Pity that Dave Filoni wasn't in charge of mapping out the third trilogy. He's done a brilliant job here and in the other things he has had a hand in has at least tried to make sense of where the 'blockbusters' were going.
One of the biggest tragedies was the Solo movie (which gets a bad rap IMO). They were obviously looking to set up a long storyline for a couple of favourite characters and the OTT reaction by some killed it off.A Mandalorian style show continuing the Han/Chewie story prior to ANH would have been great.
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Also Baby Yoda..
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@Virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Also Baby Yoda..
Yeah. This is where Filoni is clever. He found an avenue for exploration that even the multitude of fan fiction has hardly touched. We have only ever seen or heard of one of Yoda's species. In fact, up until this it was 'species unknown'.
