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@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Greta’s backstory has a few holes
"There have already been suggestions that Greta’s rise to fame was not quite as spontaneous as advertised."
Greenpeace Greta. What disappoints me is how easily manipulated people are. I just hope this is the bottom point. And 2020 will be a more sane year
But anyway Merry Christmas to all. Including the end-of-worlders.
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I have a few moments before I start cooking (Dad joke there if you look for it given the thread).
I was at a Christmas party with neighbours last night (I'm going to bash my hangover with some champagne when I start cooking) and met another neighbour that I haven't seen for a couple of years.He is an Oceanography professor that lives in the USA and only comes down to NZ for a month or so a year, to stay at his property as he is a Kiwi originally. A very positive, optimistic, individual but he was struggling to be that way when I questioned him on climate change. He is well into his sixties but loves his work so hasn't retired. He is also one of the blokes that does all of the research on ice, sea temperatures, etc. Has been down to Antarctica many times and returned from a trip to the Arctic on a Russian icebreaker a couple of weeks ago. They got all the way to 85deg north and the news wasn't good from the data collected, nor was it when he was in Antarctica earlier. Rate of polar melt is increasing and the ice was thin enough for them to keep going North.
This from a guy who has no political agenda, isn't being reported in the press, just collects data. He has nothing to prove to me, is well off enough to retire, so all conspiracy theories aren't really relevant. He just has collected data, no papers being produced, grants being given, theories to be completed, someone else will handle all of that later on if you really want to believe that it is all corrupt. The Russians funded it I think, so you can start a conspiracy there usually. He also mentioned that people just don't want it to be true so it is hard to win in a court of public opinion in spite of the numbers.
The rate of change is escalating as he said was predicted 40 years ago by many scientists. A few of of us here have said it won't be changed by governments making promises and having meetings, but by individuals taking action, he agrees. He, as I said, is a positive guy, and thinks that with a concerted effort and the technology available, carbon release and storage could be managed.
So that is from the horse's mouth, not filtered through a media organisation or political party. Just me of course, and I'm not going to enter a debate, I have just reported what was said.
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@Snowy
There have always been end of worlders about. Especially when their job and status depends on it. In my lifetime it was nuclear weapons. Then the ozone breakdown where 500 mile per hour solar winds would destroy earth. The scare stories regarding global warming started around 50 years back. All the snow in NZ would disappear. Didn't happened. Gore's Inconvenient Truth predicted all the ice would be gone after 5 years. Didn't happen.For some reason the mind can go on a negative path. Add in lots of money with negative end of world predictions and it simple feeds this human flaw to not live in the present moment and enjoy life and instead swim in self pity and scare stories about the world ending.
If the world does end it will be unlikely to be anything anyone predicts. Unless of course it's a money earner in some way. And then it will be a fluke that for once the end of worlders got it right.
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So heres an article about this Arctic ice
The glaciers in Alaska were definitely less extensive then than they are today. It is also hard to be worried about even a 6% decline in sea ice as it has NO effect on sea level and ships are still being caught in the sea ice every year.
Also, the voyage of the St. Roch in 1940 (during WW2) by the NORTHERN Northwest Passage has not been repeated recently due to heavy sea ice.
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@Winger said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
There have always been end of worlders about.
Hardly an end of worlder. Did you actually read it?
This for example:
@Snowy said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
He, as I said, is a positive guy, and thinks that with a concerted effort and the technology available, carbon release and storage could be managed.
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@taniwharugby Yeah, I'll try think thinking for myself when I've collected my own data from the poles.
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@taniwharugby said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Snowy you should do your own research
Good call , the Internet is full of great sources that won’t just back up your preconceived ideas .
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@Winger said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Winger said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Salacious-Crumb said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
The earth has been hotter in the past; the earth has been cooler in the past.
The qualifying factor in the date above is “recorded history,” in other words, when man recorded it.
But if the earth has been both hotter and cooler before mankind existed, is it even remotely possible, just a teeny-weeny little bit, that maybe mankind isn’t exclusively responsible for climate change, and that maybe the sun and water vapour are factors too?
Just asking, in good faith, before we’re forced to abandon civilization to make temperatures drop maybe 1/100th of a degree.
Don't take any notice if the graph above (the first post). Its crap
Climate change is just a weird modern day end of world cult. Where CO2 somehow through a process called back radiation (radiation leaving earth and returning about a second later) creates more warming than the sun does. And this process will almost destroy planet earth
Our sin now though is driving car and heating our house. And we must pay indulgences for our sinfulness in the form of contributions to climate funds etc.
Its amazing what garbage people believe. If the elite said there was health giving mineral on the moon and we all need to pay into a fund to get the minerals and repeated it over and over and over etc in the papers most would demand the Govt pay into this fund to save lives.
I could be wrong but I think people believing all kinds of moronic conspiracy theories wasn't as prevalent before the internet . Now it seems like theres hordes of morons who will never be convinced 9/11 wasn't an inside job or even more dangerously they believe nonsense like homeopathy or that the measles vaccine causes autism. 72 people died in Samoa and these nutters are still posting lies about vaccines on social media.
Try to stick to the topic. Or do you always do this in a group. Butt in with irrelevant crap
point of order there Winger, it is relevant as it speaks to the credibility of your source:
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@reprobate said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Winger said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Winger said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Salacious-Crumb said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
The earth has been hotter in the past; the earth has been cooler in the past.
The qualifying factor in the date above is “recorded history,” in other words, when man recorded it.
But if the earth has been both hotter and cooler before mankind existed, is it even remotely possible, just a teeny-weeny little bit, that maybe mankind isn’t exclusively responsible for climate change, and that maybe the sun and water vapour are factors too?
Just asking, in good faith, before we’re forced to abandon civilization to make temperatures drop maybe 1/100th of a degree.
Don't take any notice if the graph above (the first post). Its crap
Climate change is just a weird modern day end of world cult. Where CO2 somehow through a process called back radiation (radiation leaving earth and returning about a second later) creates more warming than the sun does. And this process will almost destroy planet earth
Our sin now though is driving car and heating our house. And we must pay indulgences for our sinfulness in the form of contributions to climate funds etc.
Its amazing what garbage people believe. If the elite said there was health giving mineral on the moon and we all need to pay into a fund to get the minerals and repeated it over and over and over etc in the papers most would demand the Govt pay into this fund to save lives.
I could be wrong but I think people believing all kinds of moronic conspiracy theories wasn't as prevalent before the internet . Now it seems like theres hordes of morons who will never be convinced 9/11 wasn't an inside job or even more dangerously they believe nonsense like homeopathy or that the measles vaccine causes autism. 72 people died in Samoa and these nutters are still posting lies about vaccines on social media.
Try to stick to the topic. Or do you always do this in a group. Butt in with irrelevant crap
point of order there Winger, it is relevant as it speaks to the credibility of your source:
Disgraceful. There was another poster who’s name escapes me that used to cite sources like that to back up his pro disease claims. One of them was the natural health news , fortunately that ridiculous persons credibility was well and truly blown by then .
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He's just another 'researcher' on the CC gravy train. Ive been reading about the arctic ice all melting for so long now. Gore's prediction. What about all the NZ snow melting on the ski fields.
Look if you are making money from it in some way fair enough I guess. But some youngsters are losing sleep over it. Its gone on long enough now. Hopefully Trump will put this scare story to bed before long as the way its going it will seriously impact on the Wests economy esp with the number of crazies on board due to brainwashing in the media and at school.
The sane need to step up and stop this from going any further, Because the "science" supporting MMCC is beyond silly. According to the proven science warming from back radiation (where radiation leaves earth and returns about one second later) cause twice the warming from the sun. And cows farting (or burbing) is a real concern. FFS. I wonder at times if the elite are piss taking and having fun to see how gullible we are.
individual but he was struggling to be that way when I questioned him on climate change. He is well into his sixties but loves his work so hasn't retired. He is also one of the blokes that does all of the research on ice, sea temperatures, etc. Has been down to Antarctica many times and returned from a trip to the Arctic on a Russian icebreaker a couple of weeks ago. They got all the way to 85deg north and the news wasn't good from the data collected, nor was it when he was in Antarctica earlier. Rate of polar melt is increasing and the ice was thin enough for them to keep going North.
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Michael Mann did the first hockey stick graph. Where the medieval warm period was removed. So one of the leading climate 'scientists' refuse to divulge his original data.
James Matkin
James Matkin, former Deputy Minister at Government of British Columbia (1974-1983)
Updated Nov 18Yes. Many scientists oppose the action of Michael Mann erasing climate history to create a new theory. Dr. Tim Ball is one of the most vigorous. For his efforts Mann started a SLAP libel suit to shut down the criticism. Mann recently lost the suit in the Supreme Court of BC for inordinate delay. He also refused to abide by a consent order to divulge his original data.
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@Winger Did you see the next graph on that link you posted, seems to support the hockey stick. Looks like we can all find data that supports our belief. I find thinking for myself helps and I have experienced and seen signs of a warming planet. I cannot know if that is man made as I am no scientist, but I tend to believe experts in that field.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback Same as every other person on the planet then?
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