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<p>The govt is probably doing bugger all to deprive these clowns of publicity as much as they can. There's been a few of these fuckwits do similarly stupid things over the years, the Bundys mentioned in that article , Ruby Ridge, Waco those idiots that killed the talkback host in the 80s and they seem to inspire the next group of jackasses every time the govt cracks down on them.</p>
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<p>It's usually a property rights issue. I thought you were conservative Jegga. Defending the state over the individual seems kinda, wellll, super-duper-socialist-liberal. Just sayin'!</p> -
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No you're as wrong as you were when you had that rant last month where you said Breitbart was my favourite site . What an odd post.<br><br>
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<p>Well-well Jegga, I apologize. I didn't know you were a leftie authoritarian socialist like me, I thought you were on the other side, so my mistake. </p>
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<p>Like yourself, a fellow liberal, I don't like guns either. I'm an hour from Buffalo and two from Detroit. A visit to a 7/11 in either city after hours means getting past a hired-gun, yes really, who'll sit at the door on a milk crate with a revolver in his lap. Kinda frightens me, and makes me pleased to escape back across the border. But I don't get too worked up about their system. My primary concern is what goes on in my own neighborhood, and what the government does with my taxes. I'm much more concerned about pissheads racing cars around town than what happens in a foreign country. Mostly because it concerns me directly and I might be able to do something about it. A very liberal perspective, I'm sure you will agree. And really, with the much higher fatality rate where I live accounted by drunk drivers rather than gunfire, I'm not sure whether I should be banning alcohol, automobiles, or both. I'm pretty sure if we did ban both, and permitted automobiles exclusively for the use of police, ambulances, and fire-trucks, we'd probably be safer. Sadly, economics, property rights and that damned Charter of Rights and Freedoms mean I lose and that pesky capitalist system you and me are trying to defeat, if I understand you correctly, prevails, again. So I'll just have to reseve energy and stop worrying and learn to love the status quo. Oh well. I can always browbeat those idiotic Americans and their stupid 2nd Amendment. Makes me feel better already.</p>
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<p>This might interest you, it's a commentary (<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/01/03/the-war-against-the-cowboys/'>"The War Against Cowboys"</a>) about the current scandal, but beware, it's a conservative position that I despise and like me might make you pig-stomping mad because it actually does defend armed nutters, and if my liberal head explodes I'm pretty sure yours might too. Keep away from sharp objects. And liquor. And automobiles. Ahhh, safer already.</p> -
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<p>Uh-oh, first Drudge, now my personal newspaper of choice, the Grey Lady herself, the liberal NYT, seems to think the issue is about property rights. Looks like the right-wing wackos are manipulating them with their voodoo mind-control, too. Is there no escaping the lunacy?</p>
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<p>I just read another conservative mental-case who's parroting the New York Times. (Or is it the other way around. (Either way, 2016 is the Year of the ridiculous. Already!!))</p>
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<p>I love the idea that the people defending this nutjob are "libertarian anti government involvement".</p>
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<p>When what this guy is demanding is government subsidies to fund his lifestyle. If he had done ANY of the stuff he's done over the last 20 years - from not paying for grazing rights, to arson, to poaching (stealing) to a private company or indvividal he'd be sued, bankrupt & gone. He's only got away with it because the government half accept they have to subsidize this morons life.</p>
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<p>Oh, I get it. United States sells more arms than any nation on earth. It's big business. Neocons and Libs want to export as many of them as possible to foreign governments as well as jihadists (cough my apology, "moderate rebels") and insurrectionists for political purposes, yet confiscate them at home where they are actually enshrined as a right in a constitution. I also get that so-called self-proclaimed conservatives who rant about liberalism yet love Big Government, defer to authority and want to regulate enshrined rights might, y'know, not be quite as conservative and ride quite so high in the saddle as they pretend. But what do I know? I'm just a 6th former. </p> -
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<p>I love the idea that the people defending this nutjob are "libertarian anti government involvement".</p>
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<p>When what this guy is demanding is government subsidies to fund his lifestyle. If he had done ANY of the stuff he's done over the last 20 years - from not paying for grazing rights, to arson, to poaching (stealing) to a private company or indvividal he'd be sued, bankrupt & gone. He's only got away with it because the government half accept they have to subsidize this morons life.</p>
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<p>9 times out of 10 when someone in the US says "I'm a libitarian!" they mean "I'm susidized to all fuck but too retarded to realise!" </p>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">(Father and son) were found guilty of two counts – the two fires they readily admitted to starting on their own property.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">In order to draw the original court case to a close, the two men, in a plea deal, agreed that they would not appeal the 2012 sentence.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">The Department of Justice news release said arson on federal land carries a five-year mandatory minimum sentence. Judge Michael Hogan, however, did not give the two men the minimum sentence called for under <span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong>the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996</strong></span>, saying it would have been <strong>“grossly disproportionateâ€</strong> to the crime. He added that a longer sentence would not meet any idea he has of justice and that he didn’t believe congress intended that act to be applied in cases like the Hammond one. <strong>A longer sentence than the few months he gave them would “shock his conscienceâ€</strong> he said.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed to a review of the case and District Chief Judge Ann Aiken went ahead with a full sentence – <strong>five years in federal prison for both men</strong>.</span></div>
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<div>Starting a brushfire on your own property, pay for the damages when it gets out of control, jesus-christ, that 70-year-old property owner richly deserves 5 years in the slammer as a "terrorist." It makes complete sense, and is really difficult to fathom why anybody -- even the original judge (bolded above, hoo-boy, says he has a "conscience," what a wingnut) might think it a "disproportionate" and excessive penalty. Doesn't this libertarian wacko realize they're the Fifth Column domestic arm of Al Qaeda? It's a damn shame they're not being waterboarded in Gitmo. Shurely this terrorist-sympathizer judge hasn't forgotten the Twin Towers. It's probably past time Federal Agents investigated him while they's at it.</div>
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<div>Link: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.tsln.com/news/18837869-113/where-theres-smoke'>Where there's smoke</a>.</div> -
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<p>As are some of your posts about rugby.</p>
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<p style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);">It happened a day after Ms Gilt revealed that her son was being taught how to use a gun. </p>
<p style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);">“Even my 4 year old gets jacked up to target shoot with the .22,†she wrote during a heated Facebook debate about the use of guns for self-protection. The post appeared to have been removed from her page following the shooting. </p>
<p style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);">She also posted a video of a six-year-old disabled boy being shown how to use a semi-automatic weapon by what appeared to be American military personnel, with the comment “awesomeâ€. </p>
<p style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Ms Gilt had also declared her support for <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://http//www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/republicans/12185449/US-election-2016-Ted-Cruz-says-he-is-the-man-to-beat-Donald-Trump.html'>Ted Cruz,</a> the Republican presidential candidate who is a vocal supporter of gun ownership rights. </p>
<p style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Gun control advocates used Ms Gilt’s Facebook page after the incident to mock her views on gun control. </p>
<p style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);">“The hypocrisy... Jamie Gilt for gun sense? Sorry you were shot. Sorry your son will have to live with this the rest of his life,†one comment read.</p>
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<p>Fixed that for you, obviously I'd wait until the stitches were out and get int the queue behind this chick</p>
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